Does the Goulston Street Graffito eliminate Jewish Immigrants as suspects?

[Mark J D]

was it possible to even see what you were writing with white chalk in that stairwell at 2:30 am, or so[?]

Well, thank goodness that, in the finished result, there was nothing ambiguous about what letters were written or what the words were meant to be. You know, the kind of thing that would have meant different coppers saw different letters, and none of the combinations made real words. That would have caused so much confusion...

M.

[John Wheat]

For me the if Jack wrote the grafito it suggests that Jack was either Jewish or wasn't Jewish. So in my opinion the grafito doesn't really help us.

[Geddy2112]

For me the if Jack wrote the grafito it suggests that Jack was either Jewish or wasn't Jewish.

Well that certainly narrows it down John

[Newbie]

Well that certainly narrows it down John

Until new information comes forth, its a waste of time and energy to argue one way or the other as to the rippers ethnicity, based on what we currently know about the Goulston graffito.

That is what John Wheat meant, and where warranted, it is always the right approach.

[Geddy2112]

That is what John Wheat meant, and where warranted, it is always the right approach.

I know what he meant and I agree, my post had a '' to suggest it was made in a humorous jesting type fashion.. (To make sure)

[Patrick Differ]

Until new information comes forth, its a waste of time and energy to argue one way or the other as to the rippers ethnicity, based on what we currently know about the Goulston graffito.

That is what John Wheat meant, and where warranted, it is always the right approach.

It might be a waste of time to argue Ripper ethnicity. Its hard to imagine that the Eddowes apron and GSG did not occur together, in the same place at the same time on the same night. Possible but low odds. The value in my view, if value is the correct word, is that the killer must have had a reason to leave the apron where he did. If the killer took it a step further and left a message implicating Jews , iwasnt that already the case with the belief of law enforcement and the gentiles. The Jews must have done it? The Why here is the clue. I would think this speaks to motive. Unlocking an obvious riddle I believe this killer left. Was it a coincidence to find these 2 things together? Im not so sure.

[Fiver]

Its hard to imagine that the Eddowes apron and GSG did not occur together, in the same place at the same time on the same night. Possible but low odds.

I'd say the odds of a randomly discarded bit of rubbish being near a bit of graffiti in a poor neighborhood are fairly large. Even if the torn apron piece was deliberately placed there, that doesn't mean the Ripper wrote the graffito.

[Duran duren]

Agreed Fiver, yet I can't disprove Patrick and many others opposite opinion.

[The Rookie Detective]

I'd say the odds of a randomly discarded bit of rubbish being near a bit of graffiti in a poor neighborhood are fairly large. Even if the torn apron piece was deliberately placed there, that doesn't mean the Ripper wrote the graffito.

Although, if the Ripper didn't write it, then someone else did not long before the apron was placed.

If the graffiti had been there before dark, it likely would have been spotted and likely to have caused somewhat of a commotion between the residents.

What are the chances of a bloodied apron being placed under a piece of graffiti that had been written shortly before in the exact same spot by someone else?


I'd go one better and suggest that the graffiti was never there in the first place.

A fabrication by the police to push the rhetoric; all the while making the police look like the heroes of the hour, by them actively rubbing the chalk message out before it could cause offense to anyone.

It was never photographed.


Has anyone ever considered that the police made it up?

[Patrick Differ]

Although, if the Ripper didn't write it, then someone else did not long before the apron was placed.

If the graffiti had been there before dark, it likely would have been spotted and likely to have caused somewhat of a commotion between the residents.

What are the chances of a bloodied apron being placed under a piece of graffiti that had been written shortly before in the exact same spot by someone else?


I'd go one better and suggest that the graffiti was never there in the first place.

A fabrication by the police to push the rhetoric; all the while making the police look like the heroes of the hour, by them actively rubbing the chalk message out before it could cause offense to anyone.

It was never photographed.


Has anyone ever considered that the police made it up?

Why would someone write the Grafitto as a standalone message at that particular spot that the killer just happened to pass by, not notice?..and then dispose of evidence, in this case part of Eddowes Apron? I would argue that this was not a normal occurence in terms of finding these 2 things coincidently. My take is the odds are closer to zero than
100 that the killer did not leave both.

The Jewish inhabitants at that dwelling location would likely have erased the message as to not draw unwanted attention. Had it been written in daylight the risk was being easily seen. Possible but then why that location?

DId the killer leave the apron in Metro to make Police believe he lived there and not in the City? All of the murders except Eddowes were in Metro. It would make sense and be a smart move to dispose of evidence in Metro if he in fact lived in the City. Essentially watching Metro Police chase their tails in searching in Metro. His next kill in Mary Kelly was again in Metro?

It strikes me that the grafitto would have different meanings depending on who wrote the message. By translation and cancelling the double negative " The Jews are the men who will be blamed"
or..the Whitechapel murders are committed by Jews.

There are 3 choices here in my opinion:
1. the killer was an immigrant jew ( police and gentiles)
2. the killer was a gentile implicating Jews
3. The killer was an anglicized jewish local

The Police favored immigrant Jews as the killer as did the Mob and as did the Unfortunates. it was a testament to the negative pushback of Jewish migration. Did the killer use this fact to an advantage?

I believe this killer was local and knew the streets. He hunted and murdered in a half mile radius. Was always one step ahead. But Eddowes was a rebound kill after his failure with Stride..to finish. I think fortunately he lived between Mitre Square and Goulston on the City side. This might explain why he killed in Metro. He knew from local knowledge that the Metro and City police forces did not communicate well. This is illustrated the night of Eddowes when a City cop went as far as Goulston with no interaction with Metro?

Upon killing Stride a disatisfied killer heads home like he did with every murder up until that time. He heads to St Botolphs area near Mitre Square, a known prostitute working area. He is not satisfied. He happens upon Eddowes, murders her , takes a trophy and adds an emphasis on her face. A message?

The apron and grafitto are part of the Eddowes murder and like Eddowes face are clues to motive.

Just assumption on my part but this is angle worth pursuit.

Cheers

[c.d.]

It strikes me that the grafitto would have different meanings depending on who wrote the message. By translation and cancelling the double negative " The Jews are the men who will be blamed"
or..the Whitechapel murders are committed by Jews.

Or the Jews are tired of being blamed for things they didn't do (written by a Jew and not related to the murders). I can't see how that can be ruled out.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Has anyone ever considered that the police made it up?

Speaking for myself, the answer would be no.

c.d.

[Geddy2112]

Has anyone ever considered that the police made it up?

Very interesting. Did I not read somewhere there was some graffiti in Hanbury Street if I remember correctly and I'm still fairly convinced, not in a tiger made him do it conviction, that there was something written on the wall behind MJK and wiped off before the photo was taken.

[seanr]

Or the Jews are tired of being blamed for things they didn't do (written by a Jew and not related to the murders). I can't see how that can be ruled out.

c.d.

Or indeed, 'Don't blame the Jews'.

[seanr]

Does the Goulston Street Graffito eliminate Jewish Immigrants as suspects?

Nope.