Does the Goulston Street Graffito eliminate Jewish Immigrants as suspects?

[Abby Normal]

You said, "It could have led to violence because people might have thought that the Ripper wrote it", and "the goal is to prevent rioting". That sounds like an endorsement.

The attitude behind the command to erase the text is that the plebs are so volatile, they could break out into rioting on reading an ambiguous message about Jews, possibly written by the Whitechapel Murderer. Well, the text ended up in the papers, but no rioting ensued. Nonetheless, the censorious attitude remains.

uh no. lewis post was not an endorsement. all he did was state a fact. or is tjere anything " censorious" in any of it.

all i can see in your post is fake accusations and once again just trying to wind someone up.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

uh no. lewis post was not an endorsement. all he did was state a fact. or is tjere anything " censorious" in any of it.

all i can see in your post is fake accusations and once again just trying to wind someone up.

You seem to misunderstand where I'm coming from. I know how easily certain sections of the public can be triggered by ethnically related events, and being woke as well, I have no problem with censorship designed to protect the rest of us.

[Barnaby]

For those who believe that Jack wrote the GSG, do you find it strange that he didn't write another message at Miller's Court (assuming that he killed Kelly as well)?

c.d.

I have no clue what the GSG means due to its ambiguity. But a Jewish theme runs through this night. I could imagine the killer is pissed off he was interrupted during the Stride murder outside a Jewish socialist club, and perhaps is even cognizant that he was observed by Jewish men near a synagogue on Duke Street immediately before the Eddowes murder. If so, perhaps it is no accident that he scrawled that message on a predominantly Jewish lodging house. But what he is trying to say remains a mystery.

To your question, I don't think he felt the need to vent against/defend Jews during the Kelly murder because he wasn't triggered.

[The Rookie Detective]

I have no clue what the GSG means due to its ambiguity. But a Jewish theme runs through this night. I could imagine the killer is pissed off he was interrupted during the Stride murder outside a Jewish socialist club, and perhaps is even cognizant that he was observed by Jewish men near a synagogue on Duke Street immediately before the Eddowes murder. If so, perhaps it is no accident that he scrawled that message on a predominantly Jewish lodging house. But what he is trying to say remains a mystery.

To your question, I don't think he felt the need to vent against/defend Jews during the Kelly murder because he wasn't triggered.

The fact that none of the alleged Ripper victims were Jewish, but that at least 3 of them worked for the Jews (Eddowes, Stride and McKenzie) tells us that the killer wasn't being vengeful against Jews.

If there was a Jewish angle (and i'm not convinced there was) then it's far more likely that the killer was himself a Jew (Moab and Midian springs to mind) Not necessarily of course, but statistically more likely.


We also have the fact that MJK had her thigh and arm stripped of flesh; chunks cut out to reveal her thigh bone for example.
This action is indicative of a man taking his "pound of flesh."

The Jewish villain Shylock springs to mind.

A Jewish money lender living in a Christian city, who seeks vengeance for being owed a debt and referred to as the "cut throat dog."


The killer IMO had a connection to the theatre; as did Eddowes and Kelly (allegedly)

[Abby Normal]

I have no clue what the GSG means due to its ambiguity. But a Jewish theme runs through this night. I could imagine the killer is pissed off he was interrupted during the Stride murder outside a Jewish socialist club, and perhaps is even cognizant that he was observed by Jewish men near a synagogue on Duke Street immediately before the Eddowes murder. If so, perhaps it is no accident that he scrawled that message on a predominantly Jewish lodging house. But what he is trying to say remains a mystery.

To your question, I don't think he felt the need to vent against/defend Jews during the Kelly murder because he wasn't triggered.

barnaby ive been saying this for years. He yelled lipski at schwartz who was to said to have a strong jewish appearance. add to that lawende and company watching him with eddowes. so yes he was probably pissed off at being interrupted that night by a bunch of jews so wrote the gsg for a bit of pay back.

an expert on victorian linguistics said it meant... the jews are the men that wont take the blame for anything. its a slur against jews.

[c.d.]

The killer IMO had a connection to the theatre; as did Eddowes and Kelly (allegedly)

Can you elaborate on that, R.D. especially the Eddowes and Kelly allegation?

c.d.

[Patrick Differ]

barnaby ive been saying this for years. He yelled lipski at schwartz who was to said to have a strong jewish appearance. add to that lawende and company watching him with eddowes. so yes he was probably pissed off at being interrupted that night by a bunch of jews so wrote the gsg for a bit of pay back.

an expert on victorian linguistics said it meant... the jews are the men that wont take the blame for anything. its a slur against jews.

Hi Abby - what puzzles me on GSG is why the writer would use a double negative which would have easily been translated as such at the time. The Jews are the men that will be blamed is the statement if you cancel out the negatives and make it a positive statement. It could be that by leaving the apron and message both that they would be seen by a dweller and not the Police. Was the killer in fact trying to start a riot against Jews?

it was a tinder box. Warren had good reason to erase the message.

Was the writer educated as the writing was described as with a good school boys hand?

I agree he was likely very pissed off. He goes into a Jewish neighborhood , murders a gentile but yells Lipski which indicates he himself was not a Jew?

Then he murders another gentile an hour later and he leaves a bloody apron and message implicating Jews. And leaves it at a Jewish dwelling?

There seems to be a contradiction here but yelling Lipski may be as simple as- mind your own business. The person yelling could have been a Jew. So why implicate Jews in the case of Eddowes and draw attention to yourself?

OR- the killer wanted to draw more attention to the Immigrant Jewish class that the Police were already targeting. No Englishman would commit such atrocities.

Gentile, Immigrant Jew, or Anglicized Jew. The latter didn't like the immigrants anymore than the Gentiles did. That is clearly illustrated in the Jewish Chronicle of that time. It seems ironic that Stride was murdered outside the very place producing the immigrant newspaper Arbeiter Friend. Coincidence?

He was a cunning SOB.