Does the Goulston Street Graffito eliminate Jewish Immigrants as suspects?

[Patrick Differ]

Seriously. Ok

[Abby Normal]

Would imagine that this topic has been exhausted but I thought I would ask the question again. Perhaps new thoughts on the topic.

If JtR in fact wrote the Graffito on Goulston Street, how could he have written it without the knowledge and training of how to write it?

The Free Schools for both Jew and Gentile were the training grounds. At the time it appears that Latin Grammar was institutionalized and the learning of double negatives was part of the training or teaching.

In the case of the graffito or sentence, it would be common for the double negatives (not, nothing) to cancel each other out! Leaving- The Jews are the men that will be blamed .

Would a Jewish immigrant who came to London between 1875 to 1888 ( if JtR was 30 years of age and Free School ends at age 14), actually know how to write a double negative?
Speaking Yiddish and possibly able to write in Hebrew only?

The Lipski Trial illustrated the need for translators. Israel Scwartz needed a translator. Israel Lipski could speak some English after being around for a couple of years.

Logically, if JtR were approximately 30 to 40 years of age and was educated enough to write a double negative sentence, what does that mean?

In the 1871 Census would the description " scholar" possibly point to a man of right approximate age for the killer?

This would seem to be a Lead but I'm not sure how much investigation has already be done?

If JtR was the writer, and I believe he was, it is doubtful the Jewish Immigrants could have written it.

The Jews are the men to be blamed!

This statement could be an accusation ?- they did it .
Or
It could mean ownership, a boast ?- yea I did it, catch me if you can...

Thoughts??

imho yes pretty much and probably written by a local gentile. the translation from an expert in victorian language means ...the jews wont take the blame for anything.

remember the night of the double event schwartz was described as looking heavily jewish and was shouted at lipski! which was a jewish slur at the time. i think the ripper was pissed off by being interupted and or going with the idea of a jewish killer(leather apron/ pizer was the leading candidate at the time)

it all kind of ties together, for me anyway.

[Fiver]

Logically, if JtR were approximately 30 to 40 years of age and was educated enough to write a double negative sentence, what does that mean?

Plenty of European languages use double negatives, though not necessarily in the same way as English.

In the 1871 Census would the description " scholar" possibly point to a man of right approximate age for the killer?

In most Census records, someone listed as a scholar was usually a child attending school.

[Patrick Differ]

What was the Primary language in Whitechapel? English.
What was likely the second? Yiddish and Hebrew.
And the third? a Melting pot, pick one. Polish, Russian...

As I said in the post the use of double negatives was definately being taught in Whitechapel.

If JtR were a local as I firmly believe he was, then he in fact was a scholar, or yes attended school. And if local what choice of Schools were there? The Jewish Free School and Ragged Schools? It was Whitechapel not Oxfordshire.

Truth and Logic are often just turning over stones with some critical thinking. Connecting dots using boolean logic..." and".." or"...which is also the basis of reliability analysis.

[The Rookie Detective]

If the GSG wasn't deemed relevant to the Ripper case, then why did the police take the decision to have it wiped off before it could be formally logged/photographed as evidence?

Regardless of whether the Ripper wrote it or not, the more important question is; Did the Ripper know the GSG was there beforehand? (if he wasn't the author)

The choice to drop the bloodied and soiled apron segment underneath the GSG would imply he was already aware of the graffiti; or else...

...he drops the apron randomly under a random piece of chalked graffiti that were not connected to the killings and its all just a big coincidence.

I'm not one for believing in such coincidences.

The chalked writing by itself, wasn't the literal message the killer was trying to send...it was the killer's decision to deliberately drop the bloodied apron from his victim under the chalked writing, that was the real "message."

The man who murdered Eddowes was trying to show he was linked to the Jewish community in some way, and imply he was also the man who had slain Stride earlier.

Both Stride and Eddowes were non-Jewesses who worked within the Jewish community and both claimed to have connections to Fashion Street. They were both murdered on the same night, one outside a radical Jewish club and the other a stones throw from the Synagogue.
And so by placing the apron under the GSG, the killer wasn't being antisemitic, he was merely making a statement; that he was connected to the Jewish community.
Whether he wrote the GSG is besides the point.

[Patrick Differ]

RD - i Agree with your assessment. The use of double negatives that canceled each other out to say a positive statement was not uncommon.

Stated positively - The Jews are the men who will be blamed.

That appears to be a definitive statement

[Scott Nelson]

The man who murdered Eddowes was trying to show he was linked to the Jewish community in some way, and imply he was also the man who had slain Stride earlier.

I doubt he even saw the tiny, chalked writing. He was just trying to discard the piece of apron and leave the area ASAP.

[Lewis C]

If the GSG wasn't deemed relevant to the Ripper case, then why did the police take the decision to have it wiped off before it could be formally logged/photographed as evidence?

Hi RD,

They erased it because they thought that it could lead to violence if people saw it. It could have led to violence because people might have thought that the Ripper wrote it, whether he did or not. When the goal is to prevent rioting, people's perceptions were what mattered, not whether the writing actually did have anything to do with the Ripper case.