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  • Hello Folks,
    Because I don’t have regular access to an internet connection I’ll address my comments in general. Good points have been raised that draw on contemporary resources; and opinions, although without validation, are useful in promoting ideas.
    I can whole heartedly agree that the scape-goating of Leather Apron and, I might add, the reporting in The Times of the murder and mutilation of a women in 1884 by the Jew Ritter, may well have been triggers for the Whitechapel killer to make a diversionary defence. I can’t place Anderson making any specific comments bearing on the GSG. A reference would be appreciated. His definitive statement in his 1910 biography “….In saying that he was a Polish Jew I am merely stating a definitely ascertained fact. And my words are meant to specify race, not religion. For it would outrage all religious sentiment to talk of the religion…” seems to follow on from other sources related to the witness identification.

    On the other hand, trying to fake being Jewish would not fool a Jew. The details provided earlier show that the writer had a profound understanding of Jewish traditions that could only be derived by living as a Jew. It may be possible at a superficial level, but highly unlikely for a Gentile to incorporate the nuance of the Jewish way in this message, and how would you prove such a masquerade? A Jewish viewpoint would be appreciated in this respect and I’m open for instruction.

    If the GSG pre-timed the apron then no Jewish resident had passed it from the time it had been written, as it would have been wiped off being in the mezuzah position and the hint of anti-Semitism. According to Halse the chalk was “fresh” – but then, he did not make it clear what time frame he had in mind. In a damp environment, natural diatomaceous chalk would discolour due to oxidation of metal impurities, grey, greenish, reddish.
    I would propose that the coincidence of timing with the apron supports (does not prove) a connection with the apron. I am aware of Howard Browns (2005 and worth reviewing) proposal that with insufficient lighting it would have to have been written in daylight. Perhaps the Jewish residents only go home when it gets dark! (possibly drunk with home-made kirsch)

    The writing by itself, or the apron piece on its own could easily be passed off as chance placement. But together there is a synergistic effect, they were dynamite for civil unrest and they were also a potent message to the Wentworth residents. It is quite clear that Warren thought the writing and apron were associated, directed at the residents of the Wentworth building when in his report wrote, “…that if it was left there the house was likely to be wrecked”.

    As Dan points out, police views on the GSG are somewhat divergent, as it seems most views are about Jack the Ripper 120 years hence. On the other hand Anderson should have been the repository of all Police evidence, particularly with a pretty active secret police service directed at anarchist plots. Bear in mind that Berner Street was a meeting spot for many high profile socialist/anarchist activists. I personally would not dismiss his competence despite what appears to be his pompous, opinionated and self important manner.

    While the discussion opens up interesting avenues of enquiry, so far I have seen little evidence to negate or even hint at modifying the mezuzah proposition. At the same time, I grant that the link between the writing and the apron may, in a one-to-one context, be circumstantial. Never the less, there is a coherent explanation that provides a credible motivation for the murders within a Jewish framework. It just seems that such a delicate hull is not quite ready for gale force winds.
    Incidently Sam, Great picture. Spot on! How did you get that shot angle? Is this a demonstration of your computer wizardry?
    I'll try to pop in again when we dock in Sydney, All the best DG

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    • Originally posted by Investigator View Post
      The details provided earlier show that the writer had a profound understanding of Jewish traditions that could only be derived by living as a Jew.

      I just wanted to address this piece of your post quickly. There is nothing in the GSG that shows anything of the kind, or even anything remotely suggesting such a thing. It's one thing to say, "I believe such and such," but quite another to make such a statement. The Mezuzah thing that you brought up is strange. Why not call the writing one of Moses' tablets? "Thou shalt not blame Jews."

      Mike
      huh?

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      • "The details provided earlier show that the writer had a profound understanding of Jewish traditions that could only be derived by living as a Jew."

        And what does it show us about the type of work upheld by the individual that wrote it? His shoesize and preferences when it comes to choosing between lavender and honey soap?

        The plethora of assertions made about the GSG is truly amazing. I have to say that I am very much with Mike on this one. And I will once again say that when somebody is able to come up with a simple, logical explanation of the wording, directly applicable to the events it is assumed to relate to, I am much, much more willing to listen.

        To me, the only profound understanding that can be reached by reading the GSG, is one of its author not getting things linguistically correct at all times. Sloppy grammatics combined with a sloppy talent for getting understandable messages across, that´s all I see. And, of course, that tallies a lot better with a man pressed for time than a secretive message filled with concealed meanings and more or less etheric hints.

        The best,
        Fisherman

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        • Sheesh. Note to future SKs: Ditch a bit of evidence next to random graffiti. Ensure the next 120 years spent developing abstruse and arcane theories to divert attention from main tasks...
          best,

          claire

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          • Now, THERE`S a thought...!

            All the best, Claire!

            Fisherman

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            • Originally posted by Dan Norder View Post
              Anderson said a Jew was responsible based upon "moral evidence" and not actual evidence.
              Oh dear,

              What garbage you speak, Danny boy.
              allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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              • Hi Stephen,
                Anderson's theory precedes Anderson's suspect, we know this from Anderson's own words...

                Amitiés,
                David

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                • Hi David

                  As Dan said, it would be best to continue this discussion on an Anderson thread.
                  allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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                  • Fair enough, Stephen.
                    Then your post 321 was your Parthian shot...?

                    Amitiés,
                    David

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                    • Well now! here I was thinking that if it looked like a duck, quacked like a duck, walked like a duck, laid eggs, had feathers, a bill and flew, it must be a duck. I would be relieved if you had said it was a camel, but instead you tell me it’s an illiterate, fake duck blaming chickens for something he doesn’t know.
                      It seems that the GSG debate is doomed for recirculation due to the time warp of stereotypical thinking. Carry on round the track, all the best. DG

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                      • Originally posted by Investigator View Post
                        Well now! here I was thinking that if it looked like a duck, quacked like a duck, walked like a duck, laid eggs, had feathers, a bill and flew, it must be a duck.

                        All I saw was mock duck soup. No feathers in that else I wouldn't have eaten it.

                        Mike

                        Wow! I just sounded like AP!
                        huh?

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                        • Let's get back to the question for a moment:

                          If the Ripper didn't write the message, but thought he got it, then the real question is: What did the GSG mean to the Ripper? I think a scenario of the Ripper being someone who lived in the area, saw and agreed with his interpretation of the GSG, and left a calling card later that evening, is quite workable. In essense what I'm saying is that the Ripper could have been just as confused about the meaning of the message as many are today, if he sat and analyzed it. He perhaps read it, took it at face value, and liked it.

                          This scenario makes sense if we look at the placement of the apron. A man quickly hurrying past after murdering someone, and perhaps with blood on his hands for which he used the apron, and perhaps for which he took the apron, wiping his hands as he hurried, could have just simply tossed it against the wall in the general vicinity of where he had earlier read the grafitti. That it wasn't carefully placed or nailed up or anything, is a testament to the haste in which he was in to get to his apartment, or brother's house, or whereever he was going.

                          The meaning may not have been understood, though I think it was.

                          Cheers,

                          Mike
                          huh?

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                          • Is the simplest explanation not the most probable?
                            The Graffiti is just that and the fact that the apron piece was found in the vicinity is just a coincidence.

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                            • Originally posted by String View Post
                              Is the simplest explanation not the most probable?
                              The Graffiti is just that and the fact that the apron piece was found in the vicinity is just a coincidence.
                              Coincidence isn't the most likely thing where murder is concerned. It is a possibility, however.

                              Mike
                              huh?

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                              • Yes but because Det Halse said at the Eddows inquest that:
                                "Graffiti of all kinds was not unusual, in fact it had proliferated since the murder of Annie Chapman, so there is no reason to think of this as anything special."
                                If the apron was dropped or placed somewhere else there would have been a good chance it was found near another message.

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