The GSG. What Does It Mean??

[c.d.]

Hi Observer,

If Jack wrote the message it must have been of some importance to him since he took a chance (even if it was a small one) in stopping to write the message. But if the message was intended for the public, what happened? The message got erased. Putting myself in Jack's shoes, I would have then written a message in blood in Mary's apartment as if to say don't you ever do that to me again. Even if Jack didn't kill Mary, there were still other opportunities to get his message out to the public. Had the message been solely intended for the police, I think its content would have been much different.

c.d.

[Fisherman]

"Jews were in the firing line as possible culprits for the murders, there can be no doubt about that, so I can not for the life of me think why anyone would state that the message had no links with the Jack the ripper series of murders."

Whoaa, Observer; hold your horses! We know nothing of Jack΄s religious convictions - if he had any - just as we do not know whether he had payed any attention to the ongoing discussion on the Jews. And the message in itself can be interpreted as pro-jewish, jew-despising as well as unbiased in the question. Of course the message could be unrelated to the murders.

C.d!
You write: "Crouching down to do so would seem natural and if he then proceeded to write the message, that might explain the heighth at which it was written."

My understanding was that the wall was whitewashed above the four-foot level. Then that would explain the necessity of stooping down.
Anyway, it sure does not explain the notion that it could have been rubbed away since it was "shoulder-height" Did anybody ask the midgets living there what they thought about it all??

All the best,

Fisherman

[c.d.]

Hi Fisherman,

I am not sure what you mean by whitewashed.

c.d.

[Fisherman]

Hi c.d!

Painted white, that΄s what I mean. Jerryd posted it on the page before this:
"A juror - How did you account for its being recent? - Because it seemed fresh, and if it had been long written it would have been rubbed by people passing. It was written on the black brick in good schoolboy's handwriting. The capitals would be under an inch high, and italics in proportion. The bricks are painted black up to about four feet high, like a dado, and above that are white."

Like I said, I was always under the impression that it was at shoulder height, so I was amazed to read this, but there you are!

All the best, c.d!
Fisherman

[c.d.]

Ok. Just so I understand, he couldn't have used white chalk on white bricks, correct?

c.d.

[c.d.]

If the GSG was premeditated, I would think that sending a piece of the victim's clothing or one of her possessions to the newspaper or the police would have seemed a likely course and one that would have had a tremendous impact. If the GSG was not premeditated, Jack chose to communicate at the worst possible time not having done so before or after and he just happened to have some chalk in his pocket. When his all important message was erased he simply said "ah gee, I wish they hadn't done that and let it go at that.

c.d.

[c.d.]

I forgot to add that if Jack did write the GSG, he did so under poor lighting conditions and with his heart beating (I have to imagine) like a son of a bitch. Yet, he still managed the herculean task of having the writing come out straight and legible.

c.d.

[Fisherman]

C.d. writes:
"Just so I understand, he couldn't have used white chalk on white bricks, correct?"

Correct, c.d.

The best!
Fisherman

[The Good Michael]

CD,
If the Ripper wrote it, my belief is that he did it before he killed.

Cheers,

Mike

[c.d.]

CD,
If the Ripper wrote it, my belief is that he did it before he killed.

Cheers,

Mike

Hi Mike,

Are you saying that he wrote the message first and then dropped the apron there later? I have to admit that I never thought of that. I will have to mull it over.

c.d.

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I am at a loss as how the message can be conceived as someone complaining about a Jewish tradesman !!!

And I am at loss how anyone can dismiss it, when it was found in the middle of Jewish vendor territory. Even today Wentworth Street (especially the corner Wentworth Street-Goulston Street) is the mecca of traders, hawkers and vendors and at day time the streets in the vicinity is packed with stalls, as it was in 1888.

The meaning of the message makes perfect sense in such a context if it was written by a customer who had bought something from a Jewish hawker and felt unsatidfied with the purchase or robbed of his money.

Considering the environment and the location of the message, dismissing the idea is on the brink of stupidity.

All the best

[Observer]

Hi Glenn

Considering the environment and the location of the message, dismissing the idea is on the brink of stupidity.

All the best

Forgive me if I'm wrong Glenn but was it not you who wrote that there was no inkling of a link between the murders and the graffiti?

Dismissing a link with the message and the murders, is also on the brink of insanity, considering two witnesses Mrs Long, and Lawende had implicated a Jew.
all the best

Observer

[Monty]

Guys,

Think I posted this before but will do again.

During my research for a joint article with Howard Brown, Stewart Evans kindly sent me a picture of the entrance with a cross upon it where he felt the writing was located.

This location is based on Warrens report, which Stewart felt would be correct, as is the nature of such reports.

I must admit that, personally, I favour this spot too. Given with the description and the reports of potential shoulder rubbing.

Monty

[Investigator]

mmm! – Some interesting rhetoric. Thought my last post would have thrown the cat among the pigeons, instead it was a duck for cover. Firstly, this is not a matter of religion, baiting or bashing, nor a revitalisation of the ritual Jewish sacrifice agenda. It is an enquiry into a cluster of murders that took place in a Jewish Diaspora. Stride beside a Jewish Socialist (Anarchist) club, Eddowes on the backdoor of the Great Synagogue, writing on the wall of a Jewish residence blaming them for unspecified doings and the grotesque letter to the bourgeoisie, Jewish Lusk. If this doesn’t raise any association of an issue among Jews other than an assumption of Gentile anti-Semitism there is a perceptual blind spot. Little wonder that the perennial nature of the GSG will come round again with the phases of the moon.
A direct comparison between the requirements of the mezuzah and the GSG provides some solid ground from which to develop a case. Details derived from http://www.beingjewish.com/mitzvos

• Any Jew, man or woman, who lives in an apartment or house is required to place Mezuzos on the doorposts of his or her home.
• GSG = Presume absent on front entry, but would normally be required
• A Mezuzah must contain in Hebrew, in a special alphabet two chapters: Deuteronomy 6:4-9, and Deuteronomy 11:13-21
• GSG = No
• Jewish Law says that it must be rolled and placed in a case.
• GSG = No
• The Mezuzah must be written on special, handmade parchment that must come from a kosher animal, such as a cow, or a goat.
• GSG = No
• The ink used in the writing must be black
• GSG = No, it was white, but may have been a deliberate inversion
• Only a holy person may write the Mezuzah, a scribe, fully trained in all the Laws of writing mezuzos, tefillin, and Torah Scrolls.
• GSG = Unknown, probably not
• The Law states that if a man does not believe even one word of the Torah, and he writes a Mezuzah, his writing is invalid, and what he has written must be buried.
• GSG = Not known, but writing is invalid for reasons stated above.

The failure to fulfil the above requirements of the mezuzah by the GSG indicates that the graffiti was not intended to replace the mezuzah since it is invalidated on the above requirements. On the other hand it does fulfil all other requirements of the mezuzah which indicates that the writing represents a supplemental message to those who follow the tenets of Judaism.

• A Mezuzah must be handwritten
• GSG = yes
• If a mistake is made in writing, the entire Mezuzah is invalid, and ruined so has to be rewritten. It is forbidden to erase even one letter.
• GSG = Yes. Mistake spelling “U” not erased, may have been a deliberate mistake
• Jewish Law defines a door as having a ceiling and two doorposts, it must have a lintel. The Mezuzah should be placed within the doorframe, underneath the lintel. The placement does not need to be precise.
• GSG = Yes
• The doorway to a small room, hallway or leads to a staircase, needs a Mezuzah.
• GSG = Yes
• The Mezuzah scroll, in the case, should be placed on the right doorpost as you enter the room. The door at the entrance of the house, the right as you enter is always considered to be the right side.
• GSG = Yes, the message is in the correct position for the mezuzah
• Placed within the doorframe, not on the outside of the doorframe, and not on the inside of the room.
• GSG = Yes
• The Mezuzah should be placed at the bottom part of the top third of the doorpost. If the doorway is much higher than 78 or 90 inches or higher, affix the mezuzah shoulder height, even if this is lower than the upper third of the doorway.
• GSG = Yes, was he a dwarf?

• The Talmud says that a proper Mezuzah offers protection of the home. When we prepare to carry something into our home, we should stop and consider whether or not, by carrying it past the Mezuzah into the home it will cause shame.
• GSG = The piece of blood smeared apron would cause shame

I put it to you, that this would be evidence admissible in a court of law to substantiate a claim that the writer has an intimate knowledge of Jewish customs not obvious to most Gentiles and therefore is most probably Jewish. It is for the defence to produce evidence to refute or modify this interpretation. If this position can be consolidated, you may be ready to take another step in understanding the GSG.
In terms of the bloodstained apron beneath the writing, consider this; what difference would it make if the writing was on the flagstones next to Eddowes body or if Eddowes body was in the Goulston Street doorway with the writing as placed?
As a backdrop, has anyone thought that the GSG among other things may be an expression of the ideological warfare between Orthodox Judaism and Socialist Jews and that the Jewish factor is only the carrier? Another thread perhaps! Must go, the fish shop attic internet connection is ready to close catch up agin - oh groan!. All the best. DG

[Ben]

Hi all,

If the message was ripper-authored, I share the contemporary police view (which, admittedly, was not unaminous) that it was done to deflect suspicion onto the Jewish population, which had already become the scapegoated bunch by September 1888 thanks to "Leather Apron" and the anti-semitic undercurrent that existed in the district before then. Of course, he could have acheived this by dumping the apron where he did without bothering to scribe an accompanying message, but still...

I believe there are other examples of Jew-implicating antics on the part of the killer, not because he was necessarily anti-semitic, but because it would have been churlish not to take easy advantage of that opportunity.

Best regards,
Ben