The GSG. What Does It Mean??

[DVV]

Hi Michael,
I confess I see too many coincidences about the Jews in the double-event. I'm not sure of anything, but I find possible that the murderer (especially if we accept Stride as his victim) expressed his antisemite feelings on 30 September. It seems too much extraordinary to me that he could have killed Stride in such a place, then threw the piece of apron near the graffito by pure coincidence (had he written it or not).

Amitiés,
David

[The Good Michael]

Hi Michael,
I confess I see too many coincidences about the Jews in the double-event. I'm not sure of anything, but I find possible that the murderer (especially if we accept Stride as his victim) expressed his antisemite feelings on 30 September. It seems too much extraordinary to me that he could have killed Stride in such a place, then threw the piece of apron near the graffito by pure coincidence (had he written it or not).

Amitiés,
David

David,

I, too see the connection between the graffiti and the apron. And, , yes, this is whether he wrote it or not, and I favor the latter. Yet, this is not explicitly antisemitic. To the contrary, it is, without bringing Christ into the equation, almost surely a Jewish writer complaining about the blame his people have gotten.

Why was it written small and neatly? The writer was someone who, perhaps liked order.

Why was it written in English? So everyone, including the Irish, the Italians, the Turks, or anyone else who was around could read it and see how pissed the guy was about the blame.

Why was it written where it was? It was close to home, and a place where so many had to walk to get hither and yon. He felt comfortable, as a Jew, doing this outside Jewish housing than taking it to a cathedral. This was his comfort zone. If JTR wrote it, there's a connection to his comfort zone for the killings as well.

To give it antisemtic meaning is to insert too many externals into the text.
Even the police were concerned about antisemitism arising from the message, not because the message was anti-jew, but vecause it was the exact opposite.

The above is all opinion, but I think the argument is strong, and much stronger than, "Someone who hated Christ-killers wrote it."

Cheers,

Mike

[DVV]

Interesting thoughts Mike,
I know there was one police opinion making tthe GSG the work of "a Jew who boasted at it" - but then it is also, somehow, antisemitism, from an insane Jew, or at least, its aim could be seen as an attempt to "tease", to provoke, antisemites of the area...
On the other hand, some police reports have argued that the writing had to be recent, because if not, it would have been erased by the Jews who were living there...which suggests: 1/ the ambiguous anti-Jewish feelings of the graffito were also perceived by the police. 2/ it can hardly be a coincidence, as you feel it, that the piece of apron was left near to it...and so there remains a possibility that the murderer himself wrote it.
As to Christ, I simply think that Brad's suggestion was not stupid.

Amitiés,
David

[The Good Michael]

David,

I don't think Brad, or anyone makes stupid posts (though I've done a few). I think posts need to be challenged, however. There's a scrutiny test that everyone must endure. Brad's post seemed sensible, but it seemed that there was more feeling than concrete reasoning to me. That doesn't mean the idea of a Christian fanatic is wrong. It just seems less likely.

By the way. Thanks for the PM. I'm going to japan for 5 days and work has been busy, but I'll have some questions for you soon.

Cheers,

Mike

[Varqm]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

[Sam Flynn]

As to Christ, I simply think that Brad's suggestion was not stupid.

Neither do I, David. On the contrary, it was ingenious. Much too ingenious for a bit of wall-writing in a Late Victorian slum area, I maintain, for reasons already given.

[celee]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

Hi,

Interesting interpretation. The Jewish people have been persecuted because of their religious belives throughout history. They have suffered a great deal. I may be wrong but I doubt the main reason the Jews have been so persecuted throughout the years is because they are penny pinching swinderlers.

I feel the graffitti was a religious statement. Like Mike said it is just a feeling.

Your friend, Brad

[Varqm]

Hi Brad,

Yeah I agree. You got a point and it's all mixed in with the other reasons. But mostly I think it's about the money and work and the ability to seek it ,for Jewish immigrants without being looked down for being foreigners and without a country and accused of something that is not true at least for most. I think it's first with religion second and always in the background. There was and is
still a mythical aspect with regards to the jews, after all the supposed son of god was a jew.

[DVV]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?

Amitiés,
David

[Stephen Thomas]

stop blaming jews for stuff
we aint done noffink

[DVV]

stop blaming jews for stuff
we aint done noffink

Hi Stephen,
I'm afraid to understand or to misunderstand your post.
Are you telling us that the author of the GSG was an innocent Jew alluding to the murders and complaining about the suspicions thrown upon his coreligionists?

Amitiés,
David

[Varqm]

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?
David

Hi David,

How old are you? No. First look for the word "If". If you cannot spot it then there is no point. The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen. It could also have been made by the ripper, a non-jew who made it appear like it came from a Jew, to deflect suspicion for example, or the ripper could have been a jew. It's not clearcut. I believe if the ripper did anything in the act of running away from a crime scene it could only have been for his self-preservation, to get away from the noose. So even if the ripper wrote it all this religious/nationality stuff could be moot.

[DVV]

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?
David

Hi David,

How old are you? No. First look for the word "If". If you cannot spot it then there is no point. The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen. It could also have been made by the ripper, a non-jew who made it appear like it came from a Jew, to deflect suspicion for example, or the ripper could have been a jew. It's not clearcut. I believe if the ripper did anything in the act of running away from a crime scene it could only have been for his self-preservation, to get away from the noose. So even if the ripper wrote it all this religious/nationality stuff could be moot.

Hi Varqm,
trying to insult people who shows a genuine interest in your thoughts is quite unfair (note I do not say "childish").
Since the apparent meaning of the graffito is blame on Jews, deducing that the graffito is the work of a Jew has may need some supplementary explanations.
So be sure that I had well noticed your "if" - without which your post would have been a mere non-sense.
And let me tell you friendly that in the Ripper case, we are all playing with facts and theories about suspects (and this is particularly significant in the sensitive subject of the GST). Most of the posters are honest researchers, but to some extent, they are influenced by their favourite theories. This is even the case of famous and respected writers like Sugden or Begg, and there is little to be ahamed...
As an example, Sugden believes the Ripper's murders to display medical knowledge, and once you have read his l22nd chapter, you come to understand that it has something to do with George Chapman.
Begg scrupulously points out the some inept statements of Anderson, but since he favours Kosminski, he contradicts himself and writes a long page trying to present Anderson as an honest thinker...
What is true for them is also true for us. I myself have to problem to confess that I don't believe in any "Jewish-theory", and that I merely see the GSG as the work of an antisemite.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen.

Don't be hurt again (and be sure it's not my intention), but this is clearly an unacceptable hypothesis.

"Ordinary citizen"? Is the graffito an ordinary sentence?

And a reaction to what? If you are hinting at the Whitechapel murders, then the wording of the GSG seems fcompletely inappropriate.

Amitiés,
David

[The Good Michael]

David,

You must understand that this was a time of Jewish angst. They were steadily pouring into England from countries that didn't want them. The British didn't want them either. There was a lot of hostility towards the newly emigrated Jews, and this hostility was returned. The suggestion that the graffiti writer may have just been a fed up Jew who was just the average Jewish Joe (Moe?) is a very likely scenario in my mind. Varqm's thinking here seems very reasonable. In this case, the graffiti had nothing to do with JTR, and was only a reaction to the troubles of the times.

If an average guy was the writer, then I think JTR read and liked the message and thought this a good place to leave the apron.

Cheers,

Mike