Did Halse do it ?

[moonbegger]

Presumably what we would once have ejoyed at an Aberdeen Angus establishment? (I think there are still a number in London...)

All the best

Dave

Hello Dave ,

Now your just Steaking the piss

moonbegger

[lynn cates]

before and after

Hello Neil. Thanks. Thought that might be it.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Thanks for the low down on both the credentials and the steak out malarkey

Presumably what we would once have ejoyed at an Aberdeen Angus establishment? (I think there are still a number in London...)

All the best

Dave

[moonbegger]

Thanks for the low down on both the credentials and the steak out malarkey, Mucho appreciated ..

moonbegger .

[Monty]

Yes Lynn, it was after 88.

Marriott did a lot of work on fraud cases, it kinda made his name.

Indeed Colin,

CID DCs do have an air of superiority over uniform constables however the ranks are as they are. Uniformed Sergeant is superior to a Detective Constable in rank.

However, the sharpest uniformed Constables were headhunted or encouraged to apply. They liked to sift out what they deemed as stars and boy, do these Guys know it.

Monty

[Bridewell]

Halse et al were Detective Constables. Now whilst they were regarded as the creme of constables they still held the same rank as a uniformed Constable.

Hi Monty,

As true now as it was then. I hate it when newspapers refer to an officer as being 'promoted' to detective.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

rank

Hello Neil. Forgive my confusion, but I thought Outram had made sergeant? Was that AFTER the WCM?

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

This is just to clarify and not designed to pick up on anyone,

Halse et al were Detective Constables. Now whilst they were regarded as the creme of constables they still held the same rank as a uniformed Constable. Therefore technically they do not outrank their uniformed counterparts.

I'm working from memory I believe Smith had actually sent the order out some period before Eddowes was murdered. City were watching events across the jurisdiction boarder and were dammed to be unprepared should a murder occur on their patch.

He ordered that CID and plain clothes (a seperate entity - plain clothes were uniform temporarily transferred into civvies to supplement CID, focusing on minor work) to watch 'suspicious couples', by that he meant prostitutes and their clients. And these frequent allyways and passageways.

As Edward states, there is nothing to be read into this.

Monty

[moonbegger]

Halse ..
On Saturday, Sept. 29, pursuant to instructions received at the central office in Old Jewry, I directed a number of police in plain clothes to patrol the streets of the City all night.

Is there any indication as to why instructions were sent to patrol the streets of the city all night ?

moonbegger .

[Lechmere]

I don't think there is much of a mystery here.
The three detectives where 'checking out' what must have been a high crime area - incidentally very close to where the 'Houndsditch outrage' was to take place - a commercial district in the city that comprised narrow and dark alleys, but adjacent to an area reputed to harbour many criminals.
By chance the ripper struck quite close by.
The three detectives effectively corroborated each other - you would gave to suggest a conspiracy between them for any of the three to be guilty of murder of of mischief with the graffiti.
They only looked for 'suspicious persons' after being advised of the murder. That is also rather an obvious task for them to be redirected towards.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Michael

According to Major Smith, he had a large proportion of his constables dressed in plain clothes just sitting around on doorsteps enjoying themselves, waiting for nothing more than the ripper to appear on his patch...

All the best

Dave

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Colin, Michael

Yet this was what the police as a whole did. It apparently formed a large part of their duties (cf People of the Abyss in which homeless people weren't allowed to sleep during the night, yet as soon as the parks opened they were all in there trying to sleep)...

Like you, I'm puzzled why detectives should be specifically so employed, but perhaps it was because, with the WCMs, the police were short-handed and to some extent shared duties?

All the best

Dave

Hi Dave,

Im not sure how the City would be left shorthanded by the WCM's Dave, it wasnt really their problem at all until that night.

I think its safe to say that City Detectives didnt as a rule poke about alleys and look in doorways for vagrants, but I would think that the Met beat Cops did, and were mandated to.

So why were suits searching nearby streets on that night? Expectation of crime....investigating a crime....a stakeout.....being used to monitor and/or block some egress/ingress somewhere...?

This was the weekend of the Post Office Robbery....maybe investigating a tip?

Its odd,.... to me anyway.

[Cogidubnus]

Why detectives would be occupied in the small hours of the morning with searching for offenders contravening the Vagrancy Act is anybody's guess, but that's what McWilliams' report suggests to me.

I would think Detectives, not mere Constables, would have better things to do with their time, and the 3 of them coincidentally searching streets nearby is very strange to me.

Hi Colin, Michael

Yet this was what the police as a whole did. It apparently formed a large part of their duties (cf People of the Abyss in which homeless people weren't allowed to sleep during the night, yet as soon as the parks opened they were all in there trying to sleep)...

Like you, I'm puzzled why detectives should be specifically so employed, but perhaps it was because, with the WCMs, the police were short-handed and to some extent shared duties?

All the best

Dave

[Michael W Richards]

Why detectives would be occupied in the small hours of the morning with searching for offenders contravening the Vagrancy Act is anybody's guess, but that's what McWilliams' report suggests to me.

Regards, Bridewell.

Thanks for the full response Bridewell, and for the above capture...why indeed.

I would think Detectives, not mere Constables, would have better things to do with their time, and the 3 of them coincidentally searching streets nearby is very strange to me. I wonder if the police followed Kate when she left the station, thinking that she might be meeting someone they wanted to arrest.

Cheers

[sleekviper]

How does that work? If they are searching passage ways and unlocked doors, what happens when a door is not locked? If a guest, owner, or night watchman go out in the night and leave the door unlocked for a short period, do they come back to a locked door, or police with questions? I can see placing the location of this search in terms of distance from the future murder site, but what is the next step to justify opening a door when there has been no crime? Are they looking for something, before going off in various directions to look for someone?