Sir Charles Warrens transcription.

[Hunter]

I agree Steve.

In the end, as I stated in an earlier post, it is the signature at the bottom of this manuscript that counts... no matter who wrote (in whole or in part) the text itself. If Warren signed it, then he signed off on it.

[Steven Russell]

My (strictly amateur) opinion is that "Blamed", "Berners", and "Brothels" are all in the same hand i.e. Warren's, while "...the people in the streets..." etc. is by someone else.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Cogidubnus]

What's very characteristic for ALL these samples is the distinctive fashion in which Warren (?) – I guess it's probably all by him – draws the capital letters in the beginning of a sentence.

Hi Maria

Like the distinctive capital "R"s which are totally different in the sample provided by Monty, to everything which has gone before?

But nonetheless if you choose to believe that the difference is purely down to the selection of one steel nib over another (I doubt Watermans 1884 invention had made it to London yet, but I may be wrong) then who am I to argue?

Respectfully

Dave

[mariab]

Thanks Monty, I downloaded it on my comp. Basically it looks like the same hand to me, on a real hasty look.

I'm sorry...I admit freely that I have no expertise here, but to an untutored eye the capital T and it's linkage (or lack of) to the "he" in "The" seem to differ a lot...the construction and linkages of the small "p"s look to be at variance too...The Bs are more similar however...

A handwriting by the same person is NEVER completely identical, but features small variations, even inside of the same document. For instance, Warren's small “b“s vary a bit inside of the same document. Now add different time, different pens, different paper, different ink, and you get a lot of little variables.
What's very characteristic for ALL these samples is the distinctive fashion in which Warren (?) – I guess it's probably all by him – draws the capital letters in the beginning of a sentence.

[Monty]

Maria,

Here is another example of Warrens handwriting.

Apologies for the format.

Monty

[Cogidubnus]

I'm sorry...I admit freely that I have no expertise here, but to an untutored eye the capital T and it's linkage (or lack of) to the "he" in "The" seem to differ a lot...the construction and linkages of the small "p"s look to be at variance too...
The Bs are more similar however...

All the best

Dave

[mariab]

OK, just noticed his signature on post #9. Doesn't change my impression.

[mariab]

Some correspondences could have been dictated to staff members. {...} Check the signature at the end of the 'people in the streets' document and see if the handwriting is similar/or not to the written script.

Obviously, but to me these documents look completely similar, or maybe it's the sleep deprivation speaking.
Can somebody post the signature from the “people in the streets“ document?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Hunter,

Absolutely right.

Perhaps Warren got bored by the time he reached Page 6.

Regards,

Simon

[Hunter]

Some correspondences could have been dictated to staff members. Would not have been unusual.

Check the signature at the end of the 'people in the streets' document and see if the handwriting is similar/or not to the written script.

In other words, the letter could be written by someone else, signed by Warren, and the copy of the graffiti (in Warren's hand) submitted with it.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Dave,

Another Warren specimen for your consideration.



Regards,

Simon

[mariab]

Arguably I'm super exhausted after a VERY LONG day and about to call it a night, but this looks all like the same hand to me, just different pens (resulting in different ink consistence) at different times.
Don't wanna touch Abberconway territory here, but is it possible that Warren's 6th November report contains (later) additions?

PS.: Perhaps I should remind people that one of my job descriptions consists of identifying authentic vs. non authentic hands (both in text and music).

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Simon

"Two different amanuenses?" - yes, or one's "his master's script" (lie down Nipper!)...but the two samples you've shown must surely be two separate hands?

All the best

Dave

[Simon Wood]

Hi Dave,

And here's a capital 'T' from Page 2 -



Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi Dave,

Nothing is ever straightforward in Ripperology.

For instance, Warren's 6th November report is in two different handwriting styles.

Page 1 [including a capital 'B']—



Page 6—



Two different amanuenses? I don't know.

Regards,

Simon