New twist on old message

[moonbegger]

Hi Moonbegger,

I suspect that the apron (along with any contents) was thrown away precisely because it was evidence - of the incriminating variety, which would assuredly have hanged him, had he been caught with it. If so, it would suggest that the supposedly incompetent police came very very close to catching him on this occasion.

Regards, Bridewell.

Hi Bridewell .. Is it then your suggestion that Eddows body parts were taken from her , then thrown away as the killer made his way through the london streets which begs the question " why take them in the first place ? "

Moonbegger.

[Bridewell]

I was simply asking the question "what other reason would the killer have for throwing away evidence , that he didnt really need to throw away ? ".

moonbegger

Hi Moonbegger,

I suspect that the apron (along with any contents) was thrown away precisely because it was evidence - of the incriminating variety, which would assuredly have hanged him, had he been caught with it. If so, it would suggest that the supposedly incompetent police came very very close to catching him on this occasion.

Regards, Bridewell.

[moonbegger]

Hi Wickerman , the point i was making in my original post , and also my subsequent post is that i find it hard to beleive that the writer of the GSG , being the killer, or accomplice would have needed any kind of container , be it an expensive leather bag or a shabby cardboard box for that matter, due my assumption that the GSG was done a few hours before the double event, And that maybe the apron was thrown down beneath it on the way back from the Eddows murder with the sole reason being to authenticate it . i was simply asking the question "what other reason would the killer have for throwing away evidence , that he didnt really need to throw away ? " bearing in mind the assumption of many [ Not Me ] that the killer wrote or didnt write the message whilst having in possesion a lot more blood and gore than Cathy's apron .

moonbegger

what am i folks , chopped liver

[bolo]

Hi Errata and Dave,

thanks for the clarification, sounds much more plausible.

Regards,

Boris

[Cogidubnus]

Half a litre Boris...it transpires the litre was for both kidneys

Dave

[Errata]

Hi Errata,

are you sure the human kidney is able to hold a whole Liter (this is how it's spelt over here with a capital "L", btw.) of blood? Even if it has some sponge-like qualities, a Liter of the proper red stuff seems too much for an organ of its size.

Regards,

Boris

No. It's half a liter. I forgot to divide by two.

[bolo]

Hi Errata,

are you sure the human kidney is able to hold a whole Liter (this is how it's spelt over here with a capital "L", btw.) of blood? Even if it has some sponge-like qualities, a Liter of the proper red stuff seems too much for an organ of its size.

Regards,

Boris

[moonbegger]

Why soil a perfectly well made, expensive, and otherwise useful leather bag with an organ oozing blood?
Surely, that is why he took such a large piece of apron in the first place?

Regards, Jon S.

Hi Wickerman , the point i was making in my original post , and also my subsequent post is that i find it hard to beleive that the writer of the GSG , being the killer, or accomplice would have needed any kind of container , be it an expensive leather bag or a shabby cardboard box for that matter, due my assumption that the GSG was done a few hours before the double event, And that maybe the apron was thrown down beneath it on the way back from the Eddows murder with the sole reason being to authenticate it . i was simply asking the question "what other reason would the killer have for throwing away evidence , that he didnt really need to throw away ? " bearing in mind the assumption of many [ Not Me ] that the killer wrote or didnt write the message whilst having in possesion a lot more blood and gore than Cathy's apron .

moonbegger

[Robert]

Then maybe Errata you can direct me to an online version of "The Liter Side Of My Official Life."

[Errata]

Would a diseased kidney have less blood in it?

Depends on the disease. Blood HAS to go through the kidney. There isn't really an alternate route. Any disease that constricts blood flow at all would result in less blood in the kidney. And I think any condition that changes the texture of the kidney (like cancer) would do the same. But if you are thinking alcohol related kidney failure, that just changes what happens to the blood whilst in the kidney, in that it doesn't filter out toxins efficiently, or at all. Think of the kidney as a Sham Wow. The only thing that affects how much a Sham Wow can absorb is how much water is spilled, or if it starts to fray and fall apart, losing it's absorbancy.

And yes we know what litres are. And yes, correct American spelling is for some reason "Liters". And I used to spell it the British way, until I had a teacher counting 5 points off on tests for "sounding pretentious".

[Robert]

Would a diseased kidney have less blood in it?

[Stephen Thomas]

Theres about a liter of blood in the average kidney.

Blimey, I hadn't realised that Americans knew what a litre was, let alone that they don't spell it properly. Do Canadians spell it 'liter'?

Half a litre is 7/8 of a pint by the way.

Pour a half litre can of beer into a pint glass and it almost fills it.

[Errata]

Hi Errata.
I'm sure you are aware the physical volume of a liter is greater than the physical size of a kidney.
In fact I had understood it was the uterus which would be oozing blood, the kidney would bleed very little.

Regards, Jon S.
(Psst....I was only joking about the leather bag)

No, the uterus is essentially a sac of muscle. It has no contents, so it's somewhat akin to carrying around a raw steak. A kidney is sort of like a firm sponge, and we know sponges can hold more than their volume of water. Or is it more than their mass? Allergies are killing me I swear...

[Wickerman]

If I don't get caught at the local supermarket tomorrow, I'll let you know!

Dave

A kidney only filters blood, it doesn't store it. A kidney is essentially a solid mass with tubes running through it. Squeeze a kidney and you'll get a handfull of squished kidney

Regards, Jon S.

[Cogidubnus]

Though I confess, I have no idea what happens if you try to wring out a kidney.

If I don't get caught at the local supermarket tomorrow, I'll let you know!

Dave