The Halse version

[Phil Carter]

Birdie Nam Nam

Thank you for your valued opinion Stephen, and Caz.

The whole point of this thread was to see how sharks feed, my own experiment.

And boy did they feed.

Monty

Hello all,

Sharks (roughly) in order of appearance and munching:-

Chris George, Lynn Cates, Stephen Thomas, Wickerman, Robert, DVV, Fleetwood Mac, Caz, Scott Nelson, Abby Normal, Steven Russell, Fisherman, Simon Wood, Roy Courduroy, Hunter, D.B.Wagstaff, Bridewell, Spyglass, Phil Carter, Rob Clack, The Good Michael, Cognibus.

Oh shock, horror, we have all been the subject of a little experiment.

Oh, the unoticed irony.

Phil

[Monty]

Hi Caz

Also this is a pointless disussion about two sentences that mean EXACTLY the same thing.

Semantics and all that.

The version that matters is the one that was transcribed at that moment in time.......

ie replicating what was actually there with correct spacing of the lines.

Thank you for your valued opinion Stephen, and Caz.

The whole point of this thread was to see how sharks feed, my own experiment.

And boy did they feed.

Monty

[Stephen Thomas]

I'm not quite sure what anyone is seeking to show here, or the relevance to the murder itself.

Hi Caz

Also this is a pointless disussion about two sentences that mean EXACTLY the same thing.

Semantics and all that.

The version that matters is the one that was transcribed at that moment in time.......

ie replicating what was actually there with correct spacing of the lines.

[Monty]

It was Halse wasn't it Phil?

In a clandestine meeting with Sailsbury around the back of Bevis Marks Synagogue during a pitch and toss game arranged as a cover.

Monty

[Hunter]

Warren was probably informed about the Berner St. murder in the same fashion that Smith would be informed about the Eddowes murder. He went to the Commercial St. station; was brought up to speed on the situation; then went to the Leman St. station where Dr. Phillips was there making his medical report. While at Leman St. he was informed by Arnold about the graffiti and that Arnold had sent an inspector with a sponge in preparation for orders to remove the writing. Warren then decided to see the writing himself before any decision was made. Does anyone believe that Warren would not have been advised of the Stride murder at some point and not gone to the district where it happened?

The Apron:
Long took the apron to the Commercial St. station; showed it to the duty inspector who then, went to Goulston St. to check the location. The inspector went back to the Commercial St. station; probably had ascertained more information by that time and decided to take the apron piece to Leman St. where, once again, Dr. Phillips was already there writing his report on the Stride murder (at half-past four the body had been removed to the mortuary). This was probably sometime just before 5 a.m. as Long reported that he went with the inspector to Leman St. and then, back on duty in Goulston St. about that time. Phillips, then went to the Golden Lane mortuary to give it to Dr. Brown. If the Lloyd's Sept. 30th report is accurate, Phillips could have arrived at the Golden Lane mortuary some time after 5:20 a.m. Brown was interviewed by a Lloyd's reporter around that time and was told that Mr. Phillips was expected.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

No, not yet.

Superintendent Arnold made Warren's appearance at Leman Street sound like the unexpected arrival of the pantomime genie, so I guess it wasn't him.

Which leaves us an interesting selection to choose from.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hello Simon,

Have you found out who gave Warren his 4.30 ish alarm call yet? My money is on Long. Haha!

Kindly

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Scott,

How does that work?

Regards,

Simon

[Scott Nelson]

Then your nickname must be Whitechapel?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Scott,

Yes, it is.

Regards,

Simon

[Scott Nelson]

All discussion of timings and what various people involved thought immediately following discovery of the writing hinges on when Bond fitted the apron piece to the portion on Eddowes and found they actually corresponded.

Simon - your middle name is Daryl??

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Given the Metropolitan Police chain of command, on the morning of the so-called double-event who would have passed the parcel and given the order to rouse Commissioner Sir Charles Warren from his bed?

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hello Don,

People are allowed to talk about written articles are they not? I have no idea if the person I chatted with is a subscriber either by the way! i listened to an opinion that I happened to partially agree with (especially the principle of expanding upon conjecture) -This must show it (in full- which I didnt hear or see) was a reputable article. And something you yourself here have told me more about than what I heard via a short chat! Thank you!

Kindly

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Comparing oneself to Gallileo Phil?

Even he applied sound baic facts to his theorising, not interpretation.

Monty

Hello Monty,

I compared the principle of looking at things in a new way- which I made very clear.
Originally, in fact, he questioned the old guard by stating that they must be wrong- and only when he published his famous book, did he put the facts side by side for comparison. The powers that be(the church) still thought this unacceptable.

Historical accuracy of events is an odd thing.

Phil

[caz]

I think it bears repeating that none of this even remotely supports a conclusion either way regarding when the apron piece and writing arrived.

The fact that both could have been missed at 2.20 by both policemen in no way implies that they were actually there at that time. They could have been, but equally they may not. All we can be reasonable sure of is that Long and Halse noticed neither until 2.55.

I'm not quite sure what anyone is seeking to show here, or the relevance to the murder itself.

Love,

Caz
X