The Halse version

[Supe]

Bridewell,

I am sorry if I was not clear. I have suggested that Detective Constable Daniel Halse seems -- to me -- to have painted himself in the most flattering light possible in his inquest testimony: always showing initiative, issuing orders, and so on. I particularly question that, as a "mere constable" surrounded by high ranking police officials, he actually protested loudly at the erasure of the graffito. In this, he is directly contradicted by PC Long, for what it is worth.

Don.

[Stephen Thomas]

The whole point of this thread was to see how sharks feed, my own experiment.

And boy did they feed.

I'm somewhat confused here, Monty

What was the experiment and what were the results?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Don makes a good point.

Interesting also that at the Eddowes inquest on 11th October neither PC Long nor DC Halse, both present in Goulston Street at the time of the GSG's erasure, mentioned that the order had been given by Sir Charles Warren; especially as the story had broken that same morning in the Pall Mall Gazette.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Never be ashamed Bridewell.

You've nothing to be ashamed for.

Monty

[Bridewell]

A Dubious Honour

Hello all,

Sharks (roughly) in order of appearance and munching:-

Chris George, Lynn Cates, Stephen Thomas, Wickerman, Robert, DVV, Fleetwood Mac, Caz, Scott Nelson, Abby Normal, Steven Russell, Fisherman, Simon Wood, Roy Courduroy, Hunter, D.B.Wagstaff, Bridewell, Spyglass, Phil Carter, Rob Clack, The Good Michael, Cognibus.

Oh shock, horror, we have all been the subject of a little experiment.

Oh, the unoticed irony.

Phil

Hi Phil,

I have absolutely no idea whether I should be mortally offended or deeply delighted by my inclusion in the shark list, As "hammerhead" is taken, can I have "basking" please?

As far as the GSG is concerned, would the killer have left such an ambiguous message? Would he not have said something like:

"We Jews had nothing to do with these murders" or

"We Jews are killing whores and there's nothing you can do about it".

depending on what meaning he meant to convey.

Regards, "Basking Bridewell" (or should that be "Barking"?)

[Bridewell]

A Minor Point, But...

I have seen my name mentioned several times in this thread, so I thought I should weigh in on a couple of points.



I did, however, suggest that he may have puffed himself up a bit after the fact. That is, it is a bit tough to take that a mere constable, surrounded by various high heidyins of both forces, would loudly complain against erasing the graffito. A whisper to himself -- maybe.


Don.

Hi Don,

This is only a minor point, and don't mean to detract from the remainder of the post, but the description "mere constable" could be applied, with equal validity, to both Long and Halse. Police Constable and Detective Constable are the same rank (constable) but in different departments. C.I.D. officers sometimes imply that they outrank their uniform counterparts, but this is not correct.

Apologies if you were already aware of this, or if I have misinterpreted your remarks or, indeed - and this has only just occurred to me - if they were at that time different ranks (even though this is no longer the case).

Regards, Bridewell

[Cogidubnus]

we ain't not sure

I'm not English and might be completely wrong, but what srikes me in the wording isn't the double negative, but rather the definite article and the substantive "men" :

Why "The juwes" instead of "Juwes" ? Is it normal ?
Why "the men" and instead of "are not men that..."
Why "men" instead of "Juwes will not be blamed for nothing" ?

How does the GSG sound in this respect ? just normal ? or clumsy ? was it paraphrasing something ?

The first COULD be normal usage..the second maybe...but the whole thing (particularly with the double negative which everyone asserts was then common) seems clumsy English indeed to modern eyes, but thereagain fings ain't wot they useter be...

All the best
Dave

[Cogidubnus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY8CXYb_pfw

Hi DVV - My French is a little rusty...however, it appears to be a story about an everlasting matchstick

Dave

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,
A suggestion only.

The Jews are those should be blamed for this.
(See bloody rag, herewith)
All you have to do is work out who wanted it to look like a Jew was the culprit.

Kindly

Phil

[Steven Russell]

Bags me hammerhead.

Steve.

[Monty]

Hello all,

Sharks (roughly) in order of appearance and munching:-

Chris George, Lynn Cates, Stephen Thomas, Wickerman, Robert, DVV, Fleetwood Mac, Caz, Scott Nelson, Abby Normal, Steven Russell, Fisherman, Simon Wood, Roy Courduroy, Hunter, D.B.Wagstaff, Bridewell, Spyglass, Phil Carter, Rob Clack, The Good Michael, Cognibus.

Oh shock, horror, we have all been the subject of a little experiment.

Oh, the unoticed irony.

Phil

No, not all Phil.

Oh, the noted self grandeur.

Monty

[DVV]

Ok Fish, thanks !
Now how does the sentence sound ? - I mean :"the Juwes are not the men..." is a bit heavy, no ? Does it sound clumsy, idiotic, whatever, or just normal too ?

[Fisherman]

David:

"Why "The juwes" instead of "Juwes" ? Is it normal ?"

If he was speaking not of jews in general, but instead of a group, smaller or larger, then it would be normal. Like, for example, Lawende, Harris and Levy.

That said, I donīt think "the juwes" is all that "unnormal" in relation to the group as a whole either.

The best,
Fisherman

[DVV]

I'm not English and might be completely wrong, but what srikes me in the wording isn't the double negative, but rather the definite article and the substantive "men" :

Why "The juwes" instead of "Juwes" ? Is it normal ?
Why "the men" and instead of "are not men that..."
Why "men" instead of "Juwes will not be blamed for nothing" ?

How does the GSG sound in this respect ? just normal ? or clumsy ? was it paraphrasing something ?

[DVV]

Flies and Jaws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY8CXYb_pfw