Does Graffito writer = Letter Writer?

[Colin Roberts]

No offense intended Colin Roberts.

Well, I wasn't feeling offended, ...

... as you Brits

... until you said that.

I am, after all, an American.

I like your hypothesis as well. Very insightful although of course there are other interpretations...

Indeed, there are!

I wonder if it could be a reference to all the murders and is saying something like 'Well, these Jews are taking advantage of our poor Gentile women and nobody says anything about that.........sure I'm murdering them but should they be servicing these dirty Jews?'

I often wonder whether a substantial portion of the vagrant 'dolly-mops', residing in 1888's inner 'East End', would have been willing to provide their 'services', ... to some 'filthy foreigner': Desperate circumstances notwithstanding.

[ChrisGeorge]

I often wonder whether a substantial portion of the vagrant 'dolly-mops', residing in 1888's inner 'East End', would have been willing to provide their 'services', ... to some 'filthy foreigner': Desperate circumstances notwithstanding.

Mmmmm. To use a modern term, if a "john" is able to provide you with the price of a bed for the night, why not?

Chris

[GregBaron]

Quit blaming the Jews...

Hi all,

Colin, I didn't mean to imply that you were a Brit.........only that we certainly have British friends out here and I've enjoyed learning the slang - I actually have some U.K. friends who have taught me over the years and I am also an American....

I do wonder if Jews were customers of our unfortunates or if they were less likely due to religion or alienation or whatever.........I think it's a crucial question to our case...........

As ChrisGeorge says, the girls probably weren't too particular if you had the coins but I wonder if there might have been peer pressure not to indulge in such low life behavior among the immigrant Jews.........but of course boys will be boys yet culture can be a strong restraining factor.........I really don't know? and I'm not sure any of us do...I do think it a pertinent question though....

I doubt our girls, unlike Heidi Fleiss for example, kept records of their clientele.............


Greg

[Phil H]

I am sure that Nichols and Chapman, at least, were in no state, to be choosey - they needed cash and would have gone with anyone.

I don't think that a potential client's being Jewish would have put them off - Stride, for instance, was said to work for Jews (even to speak Yiddish to some extent) and may have been seeing a Jewish man on the night of her death.

On the wider question, I see no strong evidence that JtR wrote the GSG and thus the question of the same person writing any of the letters - most of which are better explained in other ways anyway - does not arise.

Phil

[caz]

Contempt suggests I have ANY view on the woman. It was just a mistake.

Phil

Yes, Phil, but one you wouldn't make if it was your name, or that of someone else you admired.

The point remains. No view of someone will do nicely for my purpose. I don't suppose the author of the GSG had any normal feelings towards Jews, Gentiles or anyone but himself. Ditto the author of the Lusk letter. Communications on that level are all about yours truly and making an impression.

Love,

Caz
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[Phil H]

Your point escapes me, I'm afraid Caz.

My mis-spelling of the lady's name reflected haste (I was typing while at work) and a failure of memory. As I have never read any of her books (other than the Sickert one) I have no reason to be familiar with her name.

Not that getting it wrong bothers me in the slightest!

Phil

[curious4]

Hello all,

What Ms Cornwell (or Cornwall) has completely missed - even if the rest of her arguments held up - which I don´t think they do - is that ANYONE from the charlady upwards could have helped themselves to a sheet of Sickert´s paper.

C4

[Phil H]

But curious - are you implying that, as the charlady could have written the letters, she also wrote the GSG and hence was "Jill" the Ripperess?

If so we must immediately obtain a list of all the female staff emplyed by Sickert in the period and exhume their bodies for DNA.

If only we could show that one of the cleaning women lived in Whitechapel, used chalk, had a down on Jews and whores and time off at weekends, we's be there.

Case cracked.

Pip

[Wickerman]

...If only we could show that one of the cleaning women lived in Whitechapel, used chalk, had a down on Jews and whores and time off at weekends, we's be there.

Case cracked.

Pip

...and was a cross-dresser who favoured black eyeliner, spats & a gold watch chain...

[Colin Roberts]

I often wonder whether a substantial portion of the vagrant 'dolly-mops', residing in 1888's inner 'East End', would have been willing to provide their 'services', ... to some 'filthy foreigner': Desperate circumstances notwithstanding.

Mmmmm. To use a modern term, if a "john" is able to provide you with the price of a bed for the night, why not?

I am sure that Nichols and Chapman, at least, were in no state, to be choosey - they needed cash and would have gone with anyone.

I don't think that a potential client's being Jewish would have put them off ...

I don't believe, gentlemen, that any of us is fully attuned to the degrees of xenophobia that may, or may not have prevailed, within the lower echelons of Victorian society.

In any case:

Bigotry can be very deeply rooted!

[The Grave Maurice]

I'm very pleased to see that this thread is back on topic and that no one is deliberately misspelling Patricia Cornball's name. Ms Cornfed is a very distinguished novelist and we should show her some respect. And some sympathy would be in order as well: it can't be easy going through life with a name like Cornplaster.

[Sister Hyde]

I'm very pleased to see that this thread is back on topic and that no one is deliberately misspelling Patricia Cornball's name. Ms Cornfed is a very distinguished novelist and we should show her some respect. And some sympathy would be in order as well: it can't be easy going through life with a name like Cornplaster.

Now Now Mister Maurice... why would we make fun of someone who has to bear the burden of having a name like Cornhole? it's not really the style here to make fun of people

[Hatchett]

Hi Maurice,

You are such a compassionate man.

Best wishes.

[caz]

Your point escapes me, I'm afraid Caz.

And everyone else, it seems Phyllis.

I have no particular desire to see Cornwell's name spelled correctly. My point was that whoever wrote the GSG invoked the name of the Jews for a reason, just as you and others have invoked that of Cornwell/wall/ball/flake/plaster. The "Juwes" could well have been a feeble stab at comedy (although I see far more darkly comic potential in the Lusk letter), but the effect is like a lead balloon compared with the sparkling wit shown in the posts above - and yes, my sarcasm is an even lower form.

Anyway, words don't simply arrive on surfaces out of thin air; the "Juwes", I would assume, came from measured thought about the intended message, and like "Cornwall" was made available for public consumption. There are only three possibilities: misspelled by accident, design or ignorance.

I just don't think ignorance cuts it in either case, taking all other factors into account.

That's all.

Love,

Caz
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[Phil H]

Has anyone ever considered that a family with the surname "Juwes" may have been living on that staircase of the dwellings?

I'm serious? is there such a surname in the records?

Phil

P.S. The diminutuive of my name of these boards has now been determined as "Pip". (Phyllis -lovely name that it is - is out-of-order.)

Pip, Phil. (Phillipa - but only on Thursdays when there's an extra fee.)