The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

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  • Abby Normal
    Commissioner
    • Jun 2010
    • 11901

    #3001
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Hi Abby,

    He would have had to have dropped it accidentally though which would have been, shall we say, a bit careless?
    he was fiddling with getting his key out?
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • Abby Normal
      Commissioner
      • Jun 2010
      • 11901

      #3002
      Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post

      Yes, I have suggested that the dolt dropped it on his way into the building.
      Perhaps, after having a quick clean up before he entered his lodgings. His mind would be racing, he`d have a knife and possibly body parts to think about as he jogged up the stairs
      possibly while getting his key out of his pocket?

      jon-you think the writer was jewish no? wouldn't the ripper living there bolster your claim?
      Last edited by Abby Normal; 06-25-2019, 01:09 PM.
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • Abby Normal
        Commissioner
        • Jun 2010
        • 11901

        #3003
        Originally posted by Harry D View Post

        In which case, he didn't write the graffito?
        either or. why isn't this possibility discussed more. he did it accidently and didn't right the graffiti or he did on purpose and wrote the grafitti. if the latter this would bolster the claims of those who think it was written by a jew as the building was predominantly jewish.
        "Is all that we see or seem
        but a dream within a dream?"

        -Edgar Allan Poe


        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

        -Frederick G. Abberline

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        • Jon Guy
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 3154

          #3004
          Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

          possibly while getting his key out of his pocket?

          jon-you think the writer was jewish no? wouldn't the ripper living there bolster your claim?
          It`s the possibility I favour.
          But, even as deranged as our boy was, I can`t see him writing on his own doorway.
          It would be interesting if there was a list of the residents, but I have asked and I don`t think anything exists

          I`m sure Scott Nelson believes the GSG was written by a Jewish boy who lived in the building.

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          • Fisherman
            Cadet
            • Feb 2008
            • 23676

            #3005
            Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post

            It`s the possibility I favour.
            But, even as deranged as our boy was, I can`t see him writing on his own doorway.
            It would be interesting if there was a list of the residents, but I have asked and I don`t think anything exists

            I`m sure Scott Nelson believes the GSG was written by a Jewish boy who lived in the building.
            From (a sometimes illusive and frail) memory, I think I have seen such a list of residents, Jon. I´ll see if I can find it. Or my memory.

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            • Jon Guy
              Assistant Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 3154

              #3006
              Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

              From (a sometimes illusive and frail) memory, I think I have seen such a list of residents, Jon. I´ll see if I can find it. Or my memory.
              Oooh yes, thanks Christer. Nice one.

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              • Harry D
                *
                • May 2014
                • 3360

                #3007
                If Jack really was pissed with the Jews that night (or in general) you would have thought the graffito would've been more expletive. Implying that the Jews don't take responsibility for their actions is fairly tame, considering.

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                • Michael W Richards
                  Inactive
                  • May 2012
                  • 7122

                  #3008
                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

                  From (a sometimes illusive and frail) memory, I think I have seen such a list of residents, Jon. I´ll see if I can find it. Or my memory.
                  Hi Fisherman, I believe when you do find that, if you do...I recall seeing one as well, you will find a brother of a visible member of the Berner St Mens Club on it. that's one reason why I believe that location was chosen.

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                  • Sam Flynn
                    Casebook Supporter
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 13322

                    #3009
                    Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

                    Hi Fisherman, I believe when you do find that, if you do...I recall seeing one as well, you will find a brother of a visible member of the Berner St Mens Club on it. that's one reason why I believe that location was chosen.
                    Berner Street is for a different thread.
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • Michael W Richards
                      Inactive
                      • May 2012
                      • 7122

                      #3010
                      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                      Berner Street is for a different thread.
                      Technically Sam the post concerned the GSG and who lived at that address, the fact it cross referenced Berner Street is just a by product. It might explain the location choice. If you want something strictly specific to the thread, then the unknown killer referred to as Jack the Ripper likely wrote the message, if he is the man that killed Kate...because the killer of Kate left the cloth there, and there is no evidence that the message preceded the arrival of the cloth.

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                      • Sam Flynn
                        Casebook Supporter
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13322

                        #3011
                        Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

                        there is no evidence that the message preceded the arrival of the cloth.
                        There is no evidence to the contrary, either.
                        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                        • Abby Normal
                          Commissioner
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 11901

                          #3012
                          Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                          If Jack really was pissed with the Jews that night (or in general) you would have thought the graffito would've been more expletive. Implying that the Jews don't take responsibility for their actions is fairly tame, considering.
                          hi Harry
                          yes Ive seen this kind of post before. but why would anyone write graffiti so "tame" and or ambiguous in any case? If its not connected to the ripper then you would think it would be the more like- Levy is a crook, don't buy meat from Cohen, Jews are pigs-that sort of thing, no?
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • etenguy
                            Chief Inspector
                            • Jul 2017
                            • 1565

                            #3013
                            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                            hi Harry
                            yes Ive seen this kind of post before. but why would anyone write graffiti so "tame" and or ambiguous in any case? If its not connected to the ripper then you would think it would be the more like- Levy is a crook, don't buy meat from Cohen, Jews are pigs-that sort of thing, no?
                            Interesting point.

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                            • Sam Flynn
                              Casebook Supporter
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 13322

                              #3014
                              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                              If its not connected to the ripper then you would think it would be the more like- Levy is a crook, don't buy meat from Cohen, Jews are pigs-that sort of thing, no?
                              "Jews won't take the blame for anything" is on a par with "Jews do whatever they like", "Jews get away with [metaphorical] murder", or "You just can't win with the Jews". It strikes me as a fairly standard kind of grumble/grudge aimed at a disliked ethnic group.
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • etenguy
                                Chief Inspector
                                • Jul 2017
                                • 1565

                                #3015
                                Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

                                "Jews won't take the blame for anything" is on a par with "Jews do whatever they like", "Jews get away with [metaphorical] murder", or "You just can't win with the Jews". It strikes me as a fairly standard kind of grumble/grudge aimed at a disliked ethnic group.
                                I don't know, Sam - it is very polite for a 'hate' message. I would expect something more visceral. I don't remember seeing such polite graffitti in the east end, especially when insulting an ethnic group.

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