The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[lynn cates]

seeking help

Hello All. I am seeking to employ one person.

Qualifications:

Must be bilingual and able to speak both English (Lynn) and Non-sense (Batman) fluently.

Seek translation of one to the other.

References required.

Experienced only. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

nonsense

Hello John.

"But were the cachous he'd in her hand ? I thought they were held between thumb and forefinger."

They were.

"How is it physically possible to make a fist whilst gripping something between thumb and forefinger?"

At best, a half fist. But it's irrelevant nonsense.

Cheers.
LC

[Wyatt Earp]

I think another question that is key is why would the B.S. man go on to kill Liz after being seen by both Schwartz and the Pipeman? A reasonable and prudent person would have to think that there was a good chance that Schwartz had run off to find the nearest P.C.

Exactly!
A prudent question that has never been satisfactorily addressed.

If Stride knew her assailant, I think that would help to explain what happened here. It would help to explain the muted response to the initial throwdown, it would help to explain her willingness to look past that and go into the yard with him, and it would help to explain how she could have been taken by surprise in the yard. It would also help to explain why she was murdered. BSM had to assume that Schwartz was rushing off to find the nearest policeman. BSM had been seen assaulting a prostitute on the streets of Whitechapel in the wee hours of the morning, and so he naturally would have been a person of interest to the police. If Stride could ID him, then that was a problem. I know he’d only been seen throwing her around, but if you are Jack the Ripper, do you want the police looking into you? No, you do not. A quick murder, and problem solved.

It defies logic that someone so careless would also be so careful to avoid detection at other crime scenes.

If BSM was drunk and focused on Stride, it’s not hard to see how he could have initially failed to notice Schwartz, who was just coming onto the scene. The bigger puzzle is how he could have failed to notice Pipeman, who seems to have just been standing there. Of course, if Pipeman was a friend or accomplice of BSM, then that puzzle goes away.

[Jon Guy]

But how does that alter the fact that IF she were thrown to the ground, the cachous would have spilled?

As you seem unable to refer to or produce the source material:

[Coroner] Does the presence of the cachous in the left hand indicate that the murder was committed very suddenly and without any struggle? -
[Phillips]Some of the cachous were scattered about the yard.

The Daily Telegraph, Saturday, October 6, 1888

[Jon Guy]

But were the cacous he'd in her hand ? I thought they were held between thumb and forefinger. .

They were FOUND in the dead woman`s hand in that position
It does not mean she was holding them like this when she was murdered.

[Batman]

Stride can hold onto whatever she wants, however she wants and may fight as much as her heart desires to retain whatever she wants. Telling her she can't hold them during an assault seems to be met with Stride demonstrating she can if that is what she wants.

It seems some posters at this late junction have managed to reconcile Dr. Blackwell's explanation of a hand relaxing from a grip, meaning some fingers and thumb loosen.

Maybe they can also now read the conclusion to the inquest.

Since Lynn seems to claim that John G and others understand his levitation argument, I want to hear these details from them that you say are easily to understand but I bet you will all just say a line or two of something ambiguous and vague. Like telling people to go lie down on their left side to prove your ambigious point and description.

[Batman]

As you seem unable to refer to or produce the source material:

[Coroner] Does the presence of the cachous in the left hand indicate that the murder was committed very suddenly and without any struggle? -
[Phillips]Some of the cachous were scattered about the yard.

The Daily Telegraph, Saturday, October 6, 1888

Is that like the 10th time you had to show them that in less than the last 30 posts?

They are obviously just ignoring that.

[Batman]

They were FOUND in the dead woman`s hand in that position
It does not mean she was holding them like these when she was murdered.

It also means she COULDN'T be holding them in the position they found her while she wad alive because Blackwell said the hand had relaxed from a gripping position.

Anything else is that red herring cooking nicley.

[Jon Guy]

Is that like the 10th time you had to show them that in less than the last 30 posts?

They are obviously just ignoring that.

Yeah, that and a few other quotes. But this happens in Ripperology.

[John G]

They were FOUND in the dead woman`s hand in that position
It does not mean she was holding them like these when she was murdered.

So how did they migrate to thumb and forefinger unless they were magic cachous.

[John G]

Stride can hold onto whatever she wants, however she wants and may fight as much as her heart desires to retain whatever she wants. Telling her she can't hold them during an assault seems to be met with Stride demonstrating she can if that is what she wants.

It seems some posters at this late junction have managed to reconcile Dr. Blackwell's explanation of a hand relaxing from a grip, meaning some fingers and thumb loosen.

Maybe they can also now read the conclusion to the inquest.

Since Lynn seems to claim that John G and others understand his levitation argument, I want to hear these details from them that you say are easily to understand but I bet you will all just say a line or two of something ambiguous and vague. Like telling people to go lie down on their left side to prove your ambigious point and description.

But why resort to extreme possibilities. Based upon you're argument she is would be far more likely to hold on to the cachous if eased to the ground gently, than violently thrown to the ground, or pushed to the ground, where most people's natural inclination would surely be to open the hand to break the fall.

[Jon Guy]

So how did they migrate to thumb and forefinger unless they were magic cachous.

Because of the physical act of Stride being murdered, and wait for it ....the hand relaxing after death.

[Jon Guy]

, where most people's natural inclination would surely be to open the hand to break the fall.

Maybe if they are not holding anything in that hand.

[John G]

As you seem unable to refer to or produce the source material:

[Coroner] Does the presence of the cachous in the left hand indicate that the murder was committed very suddenly and without any struggle? -
[Phillips]Some of the cachous were scattered about the yard.

The Daily Telegraph, Saturday, October 6, 1888

But that means being selective with the evidence to support your own theory. If you accept the police report then you have to explain why no cachous were spilled outside the yard.

[Harry D]

Leaving the cachous aside for a moment, what do people think about the chances of Stride being killed by another man other than BS? It's remarkable that Liz would be assaulted by one man only to fall prey to a different murderer mere moments later, but there are documented cases where women have escaped one attacker only to run into someone else who attacks/rapes them. If Schwartz's account is trustworthy, that means the only known suspect we have other than BS man & Schwartz himself, is Pipeman. I know it's a stretch, but if the Ripper was opportunistic this makes sense. Pipeman didn't go looking for a copper or save the damsel in distress, he just watches and waits for the outcome. Then Schwartz comes walking by, and it's only then that Pipeman decides to move out, pursuing Schwartz away from the crime-scene. When he returns, BS Man has gone and Stride is in a state, allowing him to offer a 'helping hand'.

That's IF we believe Schwartz, which I'm not sure I do.