The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[John G]

Depends on how well she knew this place. Some people have no problem bringing a horse and cart up there. As for crazy. No, just completely shocked. People run into dead ends all the time. How do you think the police catch them on foot sometimes? Again, why create barriers where there are none. Its a few feet away through an open gate. No pole vaulting needed. No lock breaking. Heck a drunk could stumble in there and do it.

The fact is there could be several different events that incorporate BSMAN in all of these things without a need for Schwartz to be in a conspiracy with someone else.

I agree with Lynn, i.e. that Scwartz, most likely, simply made up his "evidence". And none of the points you make explain how Stride held on to a flimsy bit of tissue, during repeated assaults, whilst not dislodging most of the contents. Nor why no one heard anything, especially Mrs D. After all BS man, unlike JtR, was hardly subtle. And if Stride was "shocked"and ran into the yard, she doesn't seem to have got very far. And doesn't the position of the body indicate the opposite, i.e. that she was trying to exit the yard?

Time to ditch this hopeless, and possibly non-existent suspect, me thinks.

[c.d.]

Swanson brings up the idea of a second killer to dismiss it based on the facts. That's why he mentioned it. He doesn't invoke anything about sweets to make that claim either.

This is the first time that I have ever heard the claim that he mentioned it to simply dismiss it. My point was that the cachous support a second killer. That is true without Swanson mentioning it or not.

What is stopping JtR who poses his victims from jamming something into her hand? Nothing. There are many variations involving BSman that don't require an additional murderer.

Well, that brings up the question of why would he do so?

I think at the end of the day the problem is and never was with the sweets.

I disagree completely. To me, the cachous tell us that the B.S. man was not her killer.

Its the fact we have a witness being called a racial slur. Lipski. Then anti-Semitic graffiti (as per this thread) and trying to make it all go away as coincidence.

Of course the B.S. man would use a racial slur because Schwartz looked Jewish. We don't need to attach any more importance to it than that. Your interpretation of the graffiti as being anti-Semitic is simply that, your interpretation since you didn't write it.

This is quite a suitable position for those who accept a Jewish killer. I just think its omitting facts to fit a suspect ... and isn't that the big no no?

I don't see how any suspect Jewish or otherwise can be eliminated based on the GSG. You seem to be the only person willing to do so.


c.d.

[lynn cates]

frustrating

Hello CD. Thanks.

Yes, VERY frustrating.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

7

Hello Batman. You forgot:

7. NONE of this would have dislodged the cachous because her hand was not touched..

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

retirement

Hello John.

"Time to abandon this hopeless suspect, me thinks."

Actually, you and CD are arguing so well, I may just retire.

Nunc dimittis servum tuum Domine.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Batman. You forgot:

7. NONE of this would have dislodged the cachous because her hand was not touched..

Cheers.
LC

And all those things talked about regarding somebody clutching something IN DEATH would be in play.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

requirement

Hello Batman. Thanks.

Wrong again.

"- The conspiracy requires Schwartz to have a good reason to be there.
- In this case he is moving house. So that's two houses we need to show he is occupying.
- His wife needs to backup his story about moving.
- He needs to place himself elsewhere in town before returning along Berner St."

Why assume he was THERE? ALL that is required is that he cannot be placed elsewhere.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Try this at home?

Hello (again) Batman. Thanks.

"By the way, Lynn's model has her holding the sweets as she is being assaulted too. Its just his special method allows it be retained exactly as described by the investigators."

It is preceded by a movement to the throat. This causes an involuntary grasping. (Try it with a partner--but be careful.)

By the way, as you can CLEARLY see, it DID work in a clinical trial. Can yours?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Baxter

Hello CD.

"They might simply have missed the significance of the cachous."

Well, the much maligned Baxter did not. See his remarks and questions at inquest.

Cheers.
LC

[Batman]

Not my private view one bit... its contemporary.

I don't see how any suspect Jewish or otherwise can be eliminated based on the GSG. You seem to be the only person willing to do so.


c.d.

Warren uses the GSG to demonstrate JtR wasn't a socialist or a Jew.

http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=334002&postcount=1

[Batman]

Hello Batman. Thanks.

Wrong again.

"- The conspiracy requires Schwartz to have a good reason to be there.
- In this case he is moving house. So that's two houses we need to show he is occupying.
- His wife needs to backup his story about moving.
- He needs to place himself elsewhere in town before returning along Berner St."

Why assume he was THERE? ALL that is required is that he cannot be placed elsewhere.

Cheers.
LC

The police investigated it according to Swanson. Your proposal requires incompetence on their behalf on top of a conspiracy.

[Batman]

Hello Batman. You forgot:

7. NONE of this would have dislodged the cachous because her hand was not touched..

Cheers.
LC

That's a guess. There is no evidence her hand wasn't touched. In fact one of them was during a likely pulse check. Then we have her body been beaten by a stick. This dispenses with the need for evidence of a tight grip.

Rigor mortis hadn't set in.

[lynn cates]

points

Hello Batman. Thanks.

"What is stopping JtR who poses his victims . . ."

Oh, please.

". . . from jamming something into her hand?"

The lad who was too short of time to eviscerate?

"It's the fact we have a witness being called a racial slur. Lipski."

Then you know more that Schwartz or Fred Abberline.

"Then anti-Semitic graffiti (as per this thread) and trying to make it all go away as coincidence."

"We Jews are tired of being blamed for nothing. So take that."

Anti-Semitic?

"This is quite a suitable position for those who accept a Jewish killer."

Well, I do NOT accept a Jewish killer.

"I just think its omitting facts to fit a suspect ... and isn't that the big no no?"

It is indeed. So knock it off.

Cheers.
LC

[John G]

Hello John.

"Time to abandon this hopeless suspect, me thinks."

Actually, you and CD are arguing so well, I may just retire.

Nunc dimittis servum tuum Domine.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Please don't retire! At the very least I would miss having the opportunity to discuss issues where we disagree; I would also miss having some of my long-held beliefs about the case intelligently and cogently challenged.

[lynn cates]

corroboration

Hello (again) Batman. Thanks.

"The police investigated it according to Swanson."

Indeed. And what did those police say? They weren't buying it without more evidence.

"Your proposal requires incompetence on their behalf on top on a conspiracy."

Why incompetence? Please name one person who corroborated Schwartz as being on Berner.

Cheers.
LC