The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[Leanne]

…….An orange seller enters Petticoat Lane early, tells her she doesn't have to sell her apron if she does him a favour...……….

[Leanne]

That's why he cut the apron in her pocket and didn't simply use one of the 12 rags.

[Leanne]

The apron section found at Goulston was matched with the remaining apron Kate was wearing by the repair marks....so, why is this posing a problem? This was not a small piece either, it was around 2 x 2 if recollection serves.

She made that repair herself because she intended to sell it. What was she doing putting it back on?

[APerno]

This is from: A Piece of Apron, Some Chalk Graffiti and a Lost Hour by Jon Smyth

Also, Sir Henry Smith, though heavily critisized for being inaccurate in some statements, was at least known to be present for this report:

By this time the stretcher had arrived, and when we got the body to the mortuary, the first discovery we made was that about one-half of the apron was missing. It had been severed by a clean cut'.

- (Sir Henry Smith, From Constable to Commissioner - pg 152)

P.C. Long had found 'about half of it' or, if we allow for a little error in judgement on the high side we have 5-6 square feet, and if we allow for error on the low side, something in the order of 3-4 square feet. That is a sizable piece of cloth.

[Leanne]

Hey people,
We are discussing her apron and her final movements trying to fill the gaps before the discovery of the graffito, but have wondered from the original topic of this board. Shouldn't we start a new one or add to a more appropriate one?

[Wickerman]

You are the one who keeps posing misleading posts !

I will stick to the original signed depositions and treat the newspapers reports with caution

As an example Insp Collard in his official inquest testimony makes no mention of Dc Halse being present when the body was stripped.

In his inquest testimony as reported by the daily telegraph he also makes no mention of Dc Halse being present when the body was stripped.

Yet good old Dc Halse states he was there, and conveniently notices a piece of her apron missing, even though the Gs piece had not yet been found ! out of all the things relative to the body at that time he just happen to notice a piece of apron missing.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Why does all this matter about Halse being present, is it only because he noticed the remnant of apron on her body?, Collard says much the same thing, (ie; "the piece was found outside her dress") and, Collard was there, right?

[Sam Flynn]

Hey people,
We are discussing her apron and her final movements trying to fill the gaps before the discovery of the graffito, but have wondered from the original topic of this board. Shouldn't we start a new one or add to a more appropriate one?

Please.

[Trevor Marriott]

Why does all this matter about Halse being present, is it only because he noticed the remnant of apron on her body?, Collard says much the same thing, (ie; "the piece was found outside her dress") and, Collard was there, right?

Insp Collard states " I produce a portion of apron she was apparently wearing" Now his list of her clothing makes no mention of her actually wearing and apron, which would have been visible when the body was stripped and listed as being part of her clothes. It could not have been missed if she had been wearing it

The first item of clothing to be removed in order of the list would have been the black cloth jacket, the next item would have been the chintz skirt. Now if she had been wearing an apron, that apron would have been under the jacket, and over the skirt, and clearly visible.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Trevor Marriott]

Why does all this matter about Halse being present, is it only because he noticed the remnant of apron on her body?, Collard says much the same thing, (ie; "the piece was found outside her dress") and, Collard was there, right?

Its another example of the discrepancies in much of the witness testimony, not just with this murder but with regards to them all.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Sam Flynn]

It's an example of the discrepancies in the newspaper reports, more like. What we have to do is make sense of them, and whatever official records survive.

[Michael W Richards]

Trevor, city PC Lewis Robinson 931 identified either the apron section which was on Kate when found or the piece from The Model Homes, as the one he saw Kate wearing earlier. As to my suggestion the Goulston piece was about 2 x 2, Im still looking for that reference But I can assure you it does exist. A Pernos suggestion of maybe 3-4 square feet is probably about right. Substantial, and impractical for any menstrual flow issues...if that's what this issue is to you.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor, city PC Lewis Robinson 931 identified either the apron section which was on Kate when found or the piece from The Model Homes, as the one he saw Kate wearing earlier. As to my suggestion the Goulston piece was about 2 x 2, Im still looking for that reference But I can assure you it does exist. A Pernos suggestion of maybe 3-4 square feet is probably about right. Substantial, and impractical for any menstrual flow issues...if that's what this issue is to you.

Unless there is something identifiable about an apron, how can you tell one from the other? the identification made by that officer is ridiculous, and if it was as big as you suggest there would have been cuts and tears in it in line with the cuts seen on the rest of the clothing and it would have been bloodied the mortuary piece was neither.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Jon Guy]

22/08/2013. Stewart Evans.

Foster reproduced a sketch by Dr. Brown which was made on the spot.

Have the whole Foster map, etc.

Crikey,there is a lot to remember.

Excellent, thanks for confirming, Dave

[Joshua Rogan]

Yet good old Dc Halse states he was there, and conveniently notices a piece of her apron missing, even though the Gs piece had not yet been found ! out of all the things relative to the body at that time he just happen to notice a piece of apron missing.

Imagine that, eh? A detective detecting something.

[DJA]

Probably kept his job