The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[Trevor Marriott]

Strongly suspect it was ripped and bloodied in Mitre Square and doubt that "hurt and Robinson" would gain credence if they gave false evidence.

doenst matter how accurate the sketch is now it wasnt made at the time, and that makes a difference to the whole picture from an evidence perspective it is secondary evidence and is not that accurate as far as the abdomen and the clothing is concerned.

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[Jon Guy]

He was not in Mitre sq the night of the murder so the victims body sketch was not made at the time by him and is not accurate

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Sketch was by Dr Brown, and is accurate

[Trevor Marriott]

Sketch was by Dr Brown, and is accurate

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

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[Jon Guy]

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

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We`ve already discussed this a few years back, Trev.
I thought it was Foster at the time, but was corrected.

[Sam Flynn]

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

The sketch shows the positioning of the body, pools of blood and a (rough) depiction of the major injuries, but not all. It's certainly not meant to be a fashion drawing, so we shouldn't expect it to depict her clothing accurately.

[Trevor Marriott]

The sketch shows the positioning of the body, pools of blood and a (rough) depiction of the major injuries, but not all. It's certainly not meant to be a fashion drawing, so we shouldn't expect it to depict her clothing accurately.

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

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[Michael W Richards]

The apron section found at Goulston was matched with the remaining apron Kate was wearing by the repair marks....so, why is this posing a problem? This was not a small piece either, it was around 2 x 2 if recollection serves.

[Leanne]

In regards to Kate using the piece of apron as a sanitary napkin and then dropping it next to the graffito, do we have any clue if Kate would/could have passed by Goulston street once released from the drunk tank? I.e. Is there a reasonable guess as to the route Kate traveled to Mitre Square?

When she left that drunk tank it was noted that she didn't turn in the direction of the shortest route to where she lived with Kelly, she turned instead in the direction of the markets where she earn the money for food and her bed.

What she sold is anyone's guess but I reckon she sold herself and bought some tea for herself, some needles and pins, a thimble, a second-hand apron that needed repairs, 12 pieces of rag that she could use to patch other second hand clothes etc etc at the Clothes Fair at Petticoat Lane and put them in her pockets so she could mend
them. Then met her last customer.

[Sam Flynn]

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

It's not anatomically accurate or complete either. The sketch shows only one short length of small intestine draped over her right shoulder, when in fact the intestines were "drawn out to a large extent". I'd guess that Brown only intended the drawing to be a basic aide-memoire (hence the pithy annotations like "clot blood").

[Sam Flynn]

When she left that drunk tank it was noted that she didn't turn in the direction of the shortest route to where she lived with Kelly, she turned instead in the direction of the markets where she earn the money for food and her bed.

The market wasn't open when she left the cells, and even the stalls wouldn't have been set up at that early hour.

[DJA]

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

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The original is quite detailed and shows clothing covering the sternum.

[Trevor Marriott]

The apron section found at Goulston was matched with the remaining apron Kate was wearing by the repair marks....so, why is this posing a problem? This was not a small piece either, it was around 2 x 2 if recollection serves.

There is nothing to show the size on any of the pieces of apron

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[Trevor Marriott]

When she left that drunk tank it was noted that she didn't turn in the direction of the shortest route to where she lived with Kelly, she turned instead in the direction of the markets where she earn the money for food and her bed.

What she sold is anyone's guess but I reckon she sold herself and bought some tea for herself, some needles and pins, a thimble, a second-hand apron that needed repairs, 12 pieces of rag that she could use to patch other second hand clothes etc etc at the Clothes Fair at Petticoat Lane and put them in her pockets so she could mend
them. Then met her last customer.

She would have had time to make her way back to the area of Flower and dean Street where her lodgings were. She was seen to turn the opposite way to that location, but that doenst mean that she didnt turn around outside, or take another route back in that direction. She had ample time to make her way back and then return to Mitre Square

Either route would have take about the same time so, there was no quickest route.

yellow marks the routes she could have taken from police station of she had wanted to not withetanding any short cuts she knew of.
Green marks the routes back from Flower and dean Street location to Mitre Square
Blue spot Bishopgate PS
Blaclkspot Goulston St Archway

[DJA]

Wouldn't she be sopping wet?

[Trevor Marriott]

It's not anatomically accurate or complete either. The sketch shows only one short length of small intestine draped over her right shoulder, when in fact the intestines were "drawn out to a large extent". I'd guess that Brown only intended the drawing to be a basic aide-memoire (hence the pithy annotations like "clot blood").

Well one poster described the provenance as impeccable, that clearly is not the case, and it is another part of this mystery that does not stand up to close scrutiny, and therefore is unsafe to totally rely on.

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