The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor

They are either cut or torn, there are no other alternatives.

So if cut, that must be after the abdomen is opened so no spill out there.

If torn much the same applies.

Once again Trevor basic anatomy gets in the way of a theory.

Still waiting for the details of that photo offered as evidence by the way. Post 1989

Steve

Basic anatomy cannot always be relied on, especially when the victim in this case had her abdomen ripped open as well as being stabbed a number of times with a long bladed knife. There is no way of accurately telling what damage was caused and in what context.

For your info the pic is to be found in a German book titled "Der sexualverbrecker" written by Dr Erich Wulfen it was published in 1910.
which I have for sale at £25.00 lots of interesting crime scene photos, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Wulffen

The good doctor attended many murder crime scenes.

But not being proficient in German I am not able to tell you who the victim is, or any details of the murder, but rest assured it is a murder victim and the photo is of the body in situ and as you can see the intestines have spilled out from what would seem to be a small abdominal wound, and nothing as severe as with Eddowes.

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[curious]

The we have Insp Collards testimony which again is unsafe. He produces the lists of clothing and then he says "I produce a piece of the apron the deceased was "apparently" wearing which had been cut through and found outside her dress"

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Aprons are always worn "outside" dresses. The reason to wear an apron is to protect the dress.

curious

[curious]

The we have Insp Collards testimony which again is unsafe. He produces the lists of clothing and then he says "I produce a piece of the apron the deceased was "apparently" wearing which had been cut through and found outside her dress"

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Aprons are always worn "outside" dresses. The function of an apron is to protect the dress, so it is always "outside" the dress and never "inside" the dress.

curious

[Elamarna]

Basic anatomy cannot always be relied on, especially when the victim in this case had her abdomen ripped open as well as being stabbed a number of times with a long bladed knife. There is no way of accurately telling what damage was caused and in what context.

Sorry there is, basic anatomy, which is factual and always wins out over pure speculation.
For the intestines to be free of attachments they MUST be cut or torn over a large area.
They would not spill out as per Despriptions, but I guess you challenge those as they do not fit your idea.

Go learn some anatomy my friend.

For your info the pic is to be found in a German book titled "Der sexualverbrecker" written by Dr Erich Wulfen it was published in 1910.
which I have for sale at £25.00 lots of interesting crime scene photos, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Wulffen

The good doctor attended many murder crime scenes.

But not being proficient in German I am not able to tell you who the victim is, or any details of the murder, but rest assured it is a murder victim and the photo is of the body in situ and as you can see the intestines have spilled out from what would seem to be a small abdominal wound, and nothing as severe as with Eddowes.

Not good enough. Send the info so it can be translated. Could be it says the intestines have been placed where they are.
If one presents supporting evidence one should understand it. Clearly you do not.

Btw to present info and then say it will cost £25 to get details is poor.


Steve

[Sam Flynn]

The we have Insp Collards testimony which again is unsafe. He produces the lists of clothing and then he says "I produce a piece of the apron the deceased was "apparently" wearing which had been cut through and found outside her dress"

Why does he say apparently? Either she was or she wasn't.

"apparently, adverb: evidently or manifestly to the understanding; clearly, plainly". This is the 2nd definition given under "apparently" in the Oxford English Dictionary.

[Trevor Marriott]

Aprons are always worn "outside" dresses. The function of an apron is to protect the dress, so it is always "outside" the dress and never "inside" the dress.

curious

Here is the list of clothes she was wearing as they were taken off the body at the mortuary. You will see I have highlighted where an apron should have been had she been wearing one.

Her jacket would have been over the apron, and the apron over the skirt.

“CLOTHING WORN”

“Black Straw Bonnet .
“Black Cloth Jacket.
???????????????
“Chintz Skirt
“Brown Linsey Dress Bodice.
“Grey Stuff Petticoat
“Very old green Alpaca Skirt
“Very old ragged blue skirt
“White Calico Chemise
“Mans white vest
“No drawers or stays
“Pair of men lace up boots
“One piece of red gauze silk

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[Sam Flynn]

Not good enough. Send the info so it can be translated.

Perhaps Trevor can post a scan of the accompanying text here? I and a few others will be pleased to translate it.

[Elamarna]

Perhaps Trevor can post a scan of the accompanying text here? I and a few others will be pleased to translate it.

Yes that would certainly do, to present sources with no details proves nothing.

Steve

[Elamarna]

Here is the list of clothes she was wearing as they were taken off the body at the mortuary. You will see I have highlighted where an apron should have been had she been wearing one.

Her jacket would have been over the apron, and the apron over the skirt.

“CLOTHING WORN”

“Black Straw Bonnet .
“Black Cloth Jacket.
???????????????
“Chintz Skirt
“Brown Linsey Dress Bodice.
“Grey Stuff Petticoat
“Very old green Alpaca Skirt
“Very old ragged blue skirt
“White Calico Chemise
“Mans white vest
“No drawers or stays
“Pair of men lace up boots
“One piece of red gauze silk

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So it went in wrong list.
At the inquest Collard did not say she was not wearing an apron, rather he said she was apparently wearing one, that is to the best of his knowledge.

We can go on as long as you want Trevor. There is only one outcome and we both know what that is


Steve

[Trevor Marriott]

So it went in wrong list.
At the inquest Collard did not say she was not wearing an apron, rather he said she was apparently wearing one, that is to the best of his knowledge.

We can go on as long as you want Trevor. There is only one outcome and we both know what that is


Steve

How could it have gone in the wrong list when the first list made up was the clothing she was wearing. They hadn't got to the other lists yet

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[Elamarna]

How could it have gone in the wrong list when the first list made up was the clothing she was wearing. They hadn't got to the other lists yet

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So you saw the lists being drawn up?
You have evidence to support they were written up on the spot and not later ?

Of course not.


It is perfectly possible that the lists are not foolproof.
It's so revealing how some items are beyond reproach for you, while others from the same source are dismissed.

And I see still not addressing the issue of locked or open mortuary..


Steve

[Trevor Marriott]

Perhaps Trevor can post a scan of the accompanying text here? I and a few others will be pleased to translate it.

Anything to oblige

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[Elamarna]

Anything to oblige

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Thank you. Translation anyone?
Anything which says as found at crime scene and nothing moved or rearranged?

And of course it still shows nothing like that suggested of the Ripper Victims.
So somewhat irrelevant anyway.

Steve

[Trevor Marriott]

Thank you. Translation anyone?
Anything which says as found at crime scene and nothing moved or rearranged?

And of course it still shows nothing like that suggested of the Ripper Victims.
So somewhat irrelevant anyway.

Steve

It shows that intestines can recoil outwards, and it infers that Eddowes intestines could have recoiled out even further than those shown in the picture having regards to the fact that her abdominal opening went right up to the sternum. So very relevant !

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[Sam Flynn]

Anything to oblige

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Thanks Trevor. The caption says:

"Lust murder on a 13½ year old girl. The victim on the dissection table. The entrails have come out of their own accord. Schilling otherwise did nothing to the child"