Pawn tickets in Mitre Square

[Varqm]

To poor people potential value is value.Unless 100% sure either way
it's kept.

[David Orsam]

Explain to me exactly how Eddowes and Kelly might have known the value of the shirt.

Simon, as I said earlier in this thread I will be very happy to answer any questions you have - and I believe I can explain how Eddowes and Kelly might have known that the value of the shirt was greater than 10½d - but for the sake of good order to the discussion perhaps you would care to answer my very simple question first.

For the purposes of my question, as modified, you do not need to worry how Eddowes and Kelly might have known that the value of the shirt was greater than 10½d because it is assumed in the question. Thus:

Would it have made fiscal sense if the flannel shirt was worth more than 10½d and Eddowes and/or Kelly knew this?

You see, you do not have to accept, or agree, that they knew it, the question is predicated on the fact that they did.

[David Orsam]

But Simon replied that the question was unanswerable. Fiscal sense with respect to whom?

Simon did indeed eventually reply that the question was unanswerable, having originally said he had no difficulty answering it, but he did not explain why. I replied that it was not unanswerable but nevertheless amended the question to make it easier for him. It was Simon himself who introduced the concept of fiscal sense when he said that for Eddowes to have accepted the pawn ticket, "does not make a great deal of sense, fiscal or otherwise, to a cash-strapped couple allegedly having to walk from Maidstone to London" so the answer to your question is right there. I was asking if it would have made fiscal sense to the cash-strapped couple if the value of the flannel shirt was more than 10½d. A very simple question, Scott.

Did Kelly and Eddowes have any fiscal sense as to the value of a flannel shirt at that particular time?

This is irrelevant to the question I originally asked but you might have seen that my modified question in #22 was:

Would it have made fiscal sense if the flannel shirt was worth more than 10½d and Eddowes and/or Kelly knew this?

Simon failed to answer this one too.

[lynn cates]

bare feet

Hello Errata.

"So him not remembering the day the boots disappeared doesn't surprise me either. Unless they were his only pair of shoes, and then you'd expect that to stick out in his mind."

Did John not "recall' standing in bare feet?

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Where can I get Simons book.

I'd like to read it.

[Abby Normal]

Hi David,

Explain to me exactly how Eddowes and Kelly might have known the value of the shirt.

Regards,

Simon

Double post

[Abby Normal]

Hi David,

Explain to me exactly how Eddowes and Kelly might have known the value of the shirt.

Regards,

Simon

Common sense?

[Scott Nelson]

Would it have made fiscal sense if the flannel shirt was worth more than 10½d?

But Simon replied that the question was unanswerable. Fiscal sense with respect to whom? Did Kelly and Eddowes have any fiscal sense as to the value of a flannel shirt at that particular time?

[GUT]

Doubt that anyone who had experience with a Pawn Shop wouldn't realise that the loan would only be for a fraction of the value of the item.

[Rosella]

In Sally Mitchell's 'Daily Life in Victorian England' she writes, a new working man's shirt could be bought for 1shilling and 4 pence, (and a pair of socks for 9d.)

[Errata]

maybe the value of the shirt was that it was less than the cost of a new one? If they trusted the original owner to reasonably approximate the condition of the shirt, it would be a win/win deal.

[GUT]

I find people who have very little money are more likely to know the cost of a necessity that those who are better off.

[harry]

Might not Kelly and Eddowes have asked the value on receiving the ticket.

Did it have to be a new shirt?

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

Explain to me exactly how Eddowes and Kelly might have known the value of the shirt.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

A flannel shirt was about 3 shillings, according to this website. http://www.victorianweb.org/economics/wages4.html

(looks like it may be from our Richard Patterson?) If so, thanks, Richard!

Quite a bit more than 10½d then.