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I wonder if there is a dominant kidney? Everything else I have two of has a dominant. I wonder if one is just kicking back and the other one is burning all out to pick up the slack? Way to go dominant kidney.
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Thanks, ChrisGeorge.
I didn't know for many years how the Irish were depicted in old drawings and cartoons, until I saw an exhibit about immigrants at a library. Gave me pause to think, indeed, as did reading Thomas Gallagher's book Paddy's Lament: Ireland 1846-47: Prelude to Hatred http://www.amazon.com/Paddys-Lament-.../dp/0156707004
In "Blind Man's Bluff", the laughing bearded fellow is probably meant to be Jewish, the one in the right foreground is perhaps from Russia, given his fur cap, the fellow in the right background is likely an Irishman, and the pick-pocket-- perhaps an Englishman?!
Class and "foreign-looking", both, I think.
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Originally posted by Pcdunn View PostRe the Irish in the press, here are some 19th-century images of the Irishman (and woman) depicted as brutish and ape-like. :
https://www.google.com/search?q=iris...yqRhk2bpxlM%3A
There's the famous Punch cartoon showing one of the assassins in Phoenix Park, Dublin, illustrated below. But note that the characterization of denizens of the East End slums was often viciously primitive as well, as shown in "Blind-Man's Bluff" that also appeared in Punch. So it was also a class thing, not just a put-down of the Irish.
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Hi all, referring to this contentious kidney again:
Left and right kidneys in mammals are differentiated by position and obviously by what other structures in the body they are associated with; apart from a slight difference in size (left is usually marginally larger) there's no physiological difference (as Errata says, imagine two croissants - which is the left one?).http://www.differencebetween.com/dif...-right-kidney/
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostThanks Errata!!
Can I ask you a personal question-
How did you acquire your wealth of knowledge about everything? you seem to know a lot about a lot.
I bet your a beast at Trivial Pursuit!! LOL
And my dad is a retired doctor/surgical historian. So sometimes I just ask. To his credit, not once has he asked why I want to know. He's worn down over the years of random questions I guess.
Cheating, I know.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View Postthanks Chris
I have often thought that the writer of From Hell was drunk. The sloppiness of it, the mis spelled words, the wild flourish of some of the letters.
The slurring of words- "mishter" (LOL-just kidding on this one).
Cheers
ChrisLast edited by ChrisGeorge; 02-24-2016, 11:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Errata View PostThey do.
Not that they could swear they had part of a left kidney. Another good guess that's impossible to prove. Kidneys don't have a front and back or top and bottom. Think of two croissants facing each other. If you picked one up and handed it to me, I have no way of knowing whether you picked up the left or right croissant. And any sense of directionality I might make a logical guess at is obliterated when you just hand me a chunk of pastry, and not the whole thing.
Can I ask you a personal question-
How did you acquire your wealth of knowledge about everything? you seem to know a lot about a lot.
I bet your a beast at Trivial Pursuit!! LOL
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostHi mirandola
Thanks for this!!
now I have a really stupid question I just thought of. Do Pigs have a left and right kidney as do Humans? Im sure they do but just want to confirm.
Not that they could swear they had part of a left kidney. Another good guess that's impossible to prove. Kidneys don't have a front and back or top and bottom. Think of two croissants facing each other. If you picked one up and handed it to me, I have no way of knowing whether you picked up the left or right croissant. And any sense of directionality I might make a logical guess at is obliterated when you just hand me a chunk of pastry, and not the whole thing.
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Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View PostHi again Abby
Yes if you "buy" that the Lusk and Openshaw letters were by the same person, and that perhaps the individual was high on some sort of substance (an interesting debate for the killer let alone a hoaxer) possibly he got carried away with the Lusk letter and "forgot" to sign it "Jack the Ripper" or decided in that instance that "From Hell" was the better way to sign the missive.
Best regards
Chris
I have often thought that the writer of From Hell was drunk. The sloppiness of it, the mis spelled words, the wild flourish of some of the letters.
The slurring of words- "mishter" (LOL-just kidding on this one).
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostHi again Chris
I too think (or thought) that From Hell and Oppenshaw letter had a good chance of being from the same hand. However, I didn't realize that the Openshaw letter was signed jack the ripper.
Now Ive got to go back to the drawing board and think about all this again! LOL!
Thanks for pointing that out!!!
Yes if you "buy" that the Lusk and Openshaw letters were by the same person, and that perhaps the individual was high on some sort of substance (an interesting debate for the killer let alone a hoaxer) possibly he got carried away with the Lusk letter and "forgot" to sign it "Jack the Ripper" or decided in that instance that "From Hell" was the better way to sign the missive.
Best regards
Chris
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Originally posted by Mirandola View PostRegarding the Lusk Kidney, the basic points seem straightforward.
- There was no test in 1888 that could with certainty distinguish between the kidney of a human and a pig (it's only with DNA sequencing that we could positively do so now, but obviously that wasn't available), [just as there was no test that could reliably distinguish human from mammalian blood until Paul Uhlenhuth devised one in 1901, despite the Daily News report of 15 September regarding the Chapman killing that ' the blood-stained newspapers have been subjected to analysis, and the stains certified to have been those of human blood'. (http://www.fmap.archives.gla.ac.uk/C...loodtest.htm)]
- Anyone could buy a pig's kidney at any butcher's shop.
- Organs were generally preserved in Methylated Spirit (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3162231/), and anyone could buy this in any Chemist's or large Grocer's.
- People do hoaxes for any and every reason under the sun, or for no reason at all - here's just one of thousands of websites discussing this http://www.bestpsychologydegrees.com/hoaxes/.
Finally, I'll repost the link that someone posted earlier to what seems a pretty exhaustive discussion of the ins and outs of Lusk's Kidney, by Christopher-Michael DiGrazia, http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-cmdlusk.html.
Thanks for this!!
now I have a really stupid question I just thought of. Do Pigs have a left and right kidney as do Humans? Im sure they do but just want to confirm.
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I'll ask again-What kidney did Eddowes have removed and what kidney was sent to Lusk? left or right.
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Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View PostI think there is a good case to be made that the Lusk letter and the Openshaw letter were sent by the same person. Same lousy handwriting, same ribbing dialect phrases obviously written by someone who was educated but was trying to make it look as if they were not and that they couldn't spell. And yet the Openshaw letter is signed "Jack the Ripper."
Here is a Youtube video featuring a dramatic reading of the Openshaw letter:
https://youtu.be/oJdF3FcXEsQ
I too think (or thought) that From Hell and Oppenshaw letter had a good chance of being from the same hand. However, I didn't realize that the Openshaw letter was signed jack the ripper.
Now Ive got to go back to the drawing board and think about all this again! LOL!
Thanks for pointing that out!!!
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Originally posted by Rosella View PostExcept for the writer of the letter to Lusk, which I think is quite interesting.
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