Best solution?

[Stephen Thomas]

like it or not, the invention of JtR points to the cops.

Why on earth would they want to do that, Simon?

[Cogidubnus]

oh dear

Lynn, I (already) love you like a brother but you really are a stirring git!

Dave

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stephen,

I don't know, but for a whole raft of reasons the big scary monster we fear to confront is that the top cops may have lied about JtR.

Perhaps the time has come to try to find out if it's true.

We've spun our wheels for far too long.

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

This won't win me any friends but, like it or not, the invention of JtR points to the cops.

Why?

That is the real mystery.

Isn't that like accusing one of murder, but with no motive?

You're certainly on the right forum for that...


Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Dave. Thanks--I think. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

lead

Hello Simon. Any leads on why?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

One or two inklings, but nothing worth mentioning at the moment.

The problem is that the WM was not one linear mystery.

Tumblety, for instance, was most definitely a discrete affair.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

London Bridge is blowing down.

Hello Simon. Thanks.

A couple years back there was an investigation into Tumblety's being related to the Hayes of Philadelphia. The possibility being that it was John P. Hayes, Sir Ed's informant of London Bridge fame.

Any final word on that?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Tumblety had a sister named Jane Hayes, if that's anything to go by.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Hayes

Hello Simon. Yes, indeed. And one of our researchers (forget whom) linked her to the Philadelphia spy, Hayes.

I tried doing a bit of research but it was a difficult go. If it helps, I believe he was an engineer.

According to Campbell, Davitt lured him to Paris on the eve of the Parnell Commission and extracted some information--at the point of a revolver.

Cheers.
LC

[Robert]

If it helps, there is an old discussion about Tumblety/Hayes. It's an old thread so things may have changed since :

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-291.html

[lynn cates]

ah ha!

Hello Robert. That's the one! Norma Buddle discusses the situation about 3/4 way down the thread. She always scoops me.

Thanks. I could kiss you--well, maybe not.

Cheers.
LC

[RavenDarkendale]

Hi Stephen,

I don't know, but for a whole raft of reasons the big scary monster we fear to confront is that the top cops may have lied about JtR.

Perhaps the time has come to try to find out if it's true.

We've spun our wheels for far too long.

Regards,

Simon

Not to mention that one, PC Richard Pearse lived at 3 Mitre Square very close to the murder site and saw and heard nothing, not even the police whistles...

[Bridewell]

Not to mention that one, PC Richard Pearse lived at 3 Mitre Square very close to the murder site and saw and heard nothing, not even the police whistles...

Very close to one of the murder sites. Not all that close to the others though.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Michael W Richards]

National Security, or in these cases perhaps the misuse of Information and the intentional suppression of information, trumps 5 dead Unfortunates in the slums. So why does everyone think of Jack the Ripper as the story during the Fall of 1888? The only reason is because we only have information as relates to the domestic police investigations into the crimes. How could we know if National Security investigations into the Ripper crimes led to Irish self rule terrorism, or vice versa?

One wonders what other agencies found out while conducting their own investigations.

I think Simon hints that Tumblety was a relevant character that Fall, just not relevant to investigations into the killings of the Unfortunates.

Best regards