Motivation for the Dear Boss

[lynn cates]

old news

Hello Errata. Thanks. I think that the "Saucy Jacky" post card did indeed show up AFTER the "Double Event." Of course, the "Dear Boss" was in police hands about half a day or better before Kate was killed.

I can understand your point about it being someone, seemingly with a mental problem, who is trying to make a bizarre point.

But I wonder why he waited until so long after the killings? It was fast becoming old news.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm. You are absolutely correct about interpretations. We cannot but put our own "spin" on things--none of us are exempt.

I think we both agree that, whatever interpretation is put on something, it must be plausible. My problem is, it no longer seems plausible, given the exact set of circumstances, that the "Dear Boss" was merely a commercial venture.

Cheers.
LC

DEAR BOSS is more EGO related, he's blowing his own trumpet and taunting the police, this could be anyone and it's similar to the Sutcliffe hoaxes too.

but i do have to say these letters could be true, or maybe only a few of them, if so, he's definitely disguising how smart he is and not doing a very good job of it...his handwriting/English/grammer etc, looks bad on purpose

if these letters are him, he's behaving like a Troll on Facebook, or a Troll of a Police Tweet !!!!

[Errata]

Hello Errata. Thanks for that information. I particularly appreciate the motivation.

It seems, on this account, that the writer wanted fame? Of course that would have been easier had he signed his real name.

I wonder whether it could have been penned by a journalist but at another journalist's behest?

Cheers.
LC

I'm trying to think of a modern analog, and the only thing I can come up with is a hacker. A hacker does something, publishes the take home pay of congressmen, shuts down the traffic lights in LA, recodes a web site so that everyone who checks out of walmart.com is subjected to an unending loop of "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. Something. Sometimes politically motivated, often because they think it's funny, and sometimes just to see if they can. They don't sign their names, and if they are very lucky no one will ever know who did it. It's a power thing.

I don't think it was commercially motivated. And I doubt a journalist wrote it. He may have realized what it was and passed it on anyway, but it's sort of a well known phenomenon. There are just people in the world who like to throw a wrench in the works. They have no real intention of subverting anything, they just want to see how long they can make people dance to their tune. It's funny to them. It gives them a feeling of power. They brag about it to a very few like minded friends, but otherwise say nothing.

The letter (or rather the postcard) could have been written,postmarked, and delivered the same day if the author delivered it to the post office that delivered to CNA. And maybe that's what happened. Personally, I think it was a set up. I think that had no murders occurred, the author might have tried another tactic. But most likely, I think that if there were no murders, or only one, there would have been letters taunting them about not being able to find his victims. It was the East End, eventually bodies would have shown up, and everyone would always wonder if they belonged to "Saucy Jack". I think it was a dumb game.

[lynn cates]

Leather Apron

Hello Velma. Well, those who used to think that the wielder of the pen was the wielder of the knife, deemed it a vehicle to taunt the police. I do not think the wielder of the pen was the "author" of the letter, nor yet Kate's assailant.

But looked at objectively (if that's even possible), it seems an explanation for a 3 week cessation of killing. It also seems to wish to cast doubt on "Leather Apron."

Now for commercial reasons, why not say, "Yes, I am Leather Apron, and now I'm ready to do more. Beware!" Then, put it on the wire and HOPE the story sells.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Malcolm. You are absolutely correct about interpretations. We cannot but put our own "spin" on things--none of us are exempt.

I think we both agree that, whatever interpretation is put on something, it must be plausible. My problem is, it no longer seems plausible, given the exact set of circumstances, that the "Dear Boss" was merely a commercial venture.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
If not commercial, what do you see?

[lynn cates]

plausible

Hello Malcolm. You are absolutely correct about interpretations. We cannot but put our own "spin" on things--none of us are exempt.

I think we both agree that, whatever interpretation is put on something, it must be plausible. My problem is, it no longer seems plausible, given the exact set of circumstances, that the "Dear Boss" was merely a commercial venture.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

timing, timing, timing

Hello Ruby. I completely agree about the possibility of a change of date. Not sure why that would be needed though.

Regarding motivation, your joke hypothesis is interesting. I think that was the motivation behind the vast outpouring of later letters, many of which emulated one or more of its words/phrases.

I'm delighted that you discuss the possible commercial aspects of the letter. I can accept that, given its origination within the CNA, it would be sent to that same organisation. But what gives me pause is that it had lain around for two days and then sent to the City of London Police. Why not send it out to those who subscribe to your service for immediate publication?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Ever heard a Gypsy Curse?

My mother is a huge believer in Gypsy Curses. When she was working as a nurse she ran into a lot of them. And because she was always turning them away and sending to the free Hospital down the street, she got cursed A LOT (and spat on a lot). And she believes in them because they came true!

Well, two did. Sort of. She was probably cursed a couple hundred times. Big flamboyant monstrous curses. The first was "May you be sucked into the bowels of Hell!" Three days later she was walking home, when the grating covering the steam pipes gave way and she fell through. She was stuck down amongst the very hot steam pipes for about an hour (she was fine). The other one was "May all of your children be born in the street!" Four years later, she had my sister in two hours, the doctor didn't even get there in time. She had me in 45 minutes.

So I became friends with a Romani in my early 20s and I told her about it. She said that the outrageousness of the curse was the secret. That a gypsy could threaten you with unspeakable horrors every day of your life, but the one time it comes true, that's it. You're a believer. It doesn't matter how many didn't come true.

The Dear Boss letter is a Gypsy Curse. It was outrageous, and monstrous, and completely implausible. But it came true. The guy could have gotten it right on the first try, or the fifty first. As long as he got it right once, they were believers. Was it for press? Maybe, but the writer had to have planned on a long campaign of letters. Likely he was the Victorian equivalent of those guys who keep writing inflammatory letters to the editor so they can see their name in print.

Or it could be genuine. That's the beauty of a Gypsy Curse. I don't think my rapid entrance into the world was a result of supernatural powers. But you'll never convince my mom of that.

i dont know about Gypsy curses, but there are supernatural powers for sure, i've been fooling around with the occult all my life, but i've never noticed it in a morgue/ church yard..... only the occasional ghost.

it's very easy to seriously spook yourself and this is where i think a lot of this comes from..... within you !

i'm not sure about any of the letters to be honest, because a Hoaxer will have a very similar mind set to JTR, but be normal 5 mins later, just like Trolls on the Web, it's easy to act tough if you're out of reach and hiding behind a computer screen.

but if you really study the letters they seem quite accurate as well, or is this me interpreting his words incorrectly, not sure and the same definitely applies to what GH said as well.

one sees conspiracies/ tricks and mirages in everything in life, just like a magician, you know she must not be in the box or the saw will cut her in half, but it's impossible to see how she got out... no idea, however often you replay the DVD.

this is probably similar to MJK.... no idea what really happened !

[Rubyretro]

I would certainly like to know the proof for the exact day and hour that the letter arrived at the Police Station.

As far as I'm concerned, the date on the letter and the day that the CNA
said that they received it, mean nothing if a journalist from the CNA wrote it
....it could just be backdated.

I think that is is the most likely explanation -not even a 'lucky guess'..it was written immediately following the events and passed to the Police as quickly as possible.

The obvious motivation was 'a joke' by the writer, and some spicier newspaper reports (thus increased circulation).

[Hunter]

I reckon I am on Lynn Cates' ignore list for some reason.

And I didn't even know I was important enough to rate such an honored status.

[lynn cates]

fame

Hello Errata. Thanks for that information. I particularly appreciate the motivation.

It seems, on this account, that the writer wanted fame? Of course that would have been easier had he signed his real name.

I wonder whether it could have been penned by a journalist but at another journalist's behest?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

points

Hello Maria.

"Even with Moore’s hand fitting and everything?"

I am content that Moore likely penned the letter. But it is not enough to wave the hand and say, "He did it and it was to sell copy." I need a mechanism.

"Not a lucky guess, just a reasonable assumption under the circumstances."

But as I say, what if he is caught? Eventually, the CNA might have egg on their faces.

"Oh come on Lynn, and the arrested murder[er] would have how much credibility?"

If you are accused of a crime like murder, it is small beer to deny or affirm such a letter.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

Ever heard a Gypsy Curse?

My mother is a huge believer in Gypsy Curses. When she was working as a nurse she ran into a lot of them. And because she was always turning them away and sending to the free Hospital down the street, she got cursed A LOT (and spat on a lot). And she believes in them because they came true!

Well, two did. Sort of. She was probably cursed a couple hundred times. Big flamboyant monstrous curses. The first was "May you be sucked into the bowels of Hell!" Three days later she was walking home, when the grating covering the steam pipes gave way and she fell through. She was stuck down amongst the very hot steam pipes for about an hour (she was fine). The other one was "May all of your children be born in the street!" Four years later, she had my sister in two hours, the doctor didn't even get there in time. She had me in 45 minutes.

So I became friends with a Romani in my early 20s and I told her about it. She said that the outrageousness of the curse was the secret. That a gypsy could threaten you with unspeakable horrors every day of your life, but the one time it comes true, that's it. You're a believer. It doesn't matter how many didn't come true.

The Dear Boss letter is a Gypsy Curse. It was outrageous, and monstrous, and completely implausible. But it came true. The guy could have gotten it right on the first try, or the fifty first. As long as he got it right once, they were believers. Was it for press? Maybe, but the writer had to have planned on a long campaign of letters. Likely he was the Victorian equivalent of those guys who keep writing inflammatory letters to the editor so they can see their name in print.

Or it could be genuine. That's the beauty of a Gypsy Curse. I don't think my rapid entrance into the world was a result of supernatural powers. But you'll never convince my mom of that.

[mariab]

I cannot, for the life of me, see the commercial motivation here which many have alleged.

Even with Moore’s hand fitting and everything?

Now, you seem to suggest a lucky guess.

Not a lucky guess, just a reasonable assumption under the circumstances.

Very well, suppose another murder takes place and the assailant is caught and even confesses to all of them. But he denies the letter. Result? Moore and the CNA still look silly--and now perhaps even guilty of fraud.

Oh come on Lynn, and the arrested murder would have how much credibility?

Gotta go back to work, but I might check here again later on.

[lynn cates]

fraud

Hello Maria. Let's not worry about conspiracies. Let's just look for motivation. I cannot, for the life of me, see the commercial motivation here which many have alleged.

Now, you seem to suggest a lucky guess. Very well, suppose another murder takes place and the assailant is caught and even confesses to all of them. But he denies the letter. Result? Moore and the CNA still look silly--and now perhaps even guilty of fraud.

Cheers.
LC