Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Dear Boss

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Neilson of Wealdstone

    Pertaining to the unnamed PI agency, there's a rumour circulating about a “Neilson of Wealdstone“ mentioned in the SB ledgers.

    Lynn, a small highjack as I'm in a hurry (conducting research for Rob here in Lyon): I'm ordering the AFs from N.Y. (I'll pay), and Michael (and possibly 2 more people) will conduct the search. You're only required to scan the AFs and send them over to Michael on a CD-ROM. Would that be OK? I'll email you when I find a minute.

    This has ZILCH to do with the “Dear Boss“ letter, but since Lynn's the capo di tutti i capi AKA the big boss in the AF translation project, maybe it fits after all...
    Best regards,
    Maria

    Comment


    • Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      That would indicate that the transcriber was not Piggott. (Heh-heh)
      So Piggot was a tidy transcriber? :-)
      Best regards,
      Maria

      Comment


      • original

        Hello All. The original "Dear Boss" is (I think) reproduced on pp. 16 & 17 of "Letters from Hell."

        Although difficult to read the letter itself, the margin shift is hardly noticeable on the first side; some shift to right on back.

        Cheers.
        LC

        Comment


        • craftsman

          Hello Maria. Yes, he was a good craftsman and had even saved a request letter from Davitt many years before. He used that as a copy from which to work on the Davitt forgeries.

          Your proposal above is sound.

          Cheers.
          LC

          Comment


          • Thanks Lynn.

            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
            Your proposal above is sound.
            Sound and not indecent.
            Best regards,
            Maria

            Comment


            • Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
              Hello All. Oops. The "Dear Boss" here on Casebook seems to be the police facsimile. If so, and given it is hand written and not a photograph, the margin wandering may be on behalf of the transcriber.

              Cheers.
              LC
              Hello, Lynn.
              The version of Dear Boss on here and the one in LFH are obviously the same document. The one in the book appears faded, has picked up some more creases, and has a small piece missing. But they are clearly the same document photographed at different times.

              Best wishes,
              Steve.

              Comment


              • Indeed?

                Hello Steven. Are you serious? The one on pp. 16 & 17 (LFH) is in disrepair, as you say, but the margins are quite different. The facsimile (Casebook) contains different folds (business envelope) compared to the original (small envelope). It is also a good deal neater.

                Cheers.
                LC

                Comment


                • There are some reports that Kirby got mixed up in the investigation of the Cronin murder. Not sure how true these stories are.

                  The Salt Lake Herald, September 17, 1889, Page 1, Col 1

                  THE CRONIN PLOT

                  Some Startling and Sensational Developments

                  CHICAGO, Sept 10.-- The Globe has a story of
                  the sensational results said to have been
                  obtained by the prosecution in the Cronin
                  case by sending two detectives to Canada to
                  hunt for J T Kirby who represented the
                  London Times in Chicago last year.

                  The Globe says Kirby met with Le
                  Caron here before the latter left for the old
                  country and made an attempt to carry on
                  his work of a spy after he left but made a
                  sorry failure of his undertaking. He got
                  acquainted with Dr. Cronin and was frequently
                  seen in his company at the Sherman
                  house and at Hannah Hoggs place on
                  Randolph street. Kirby is a Canadian and
                  as such knew Dr Cronin long before the
                  latter came to Chicago It was in this way
                  that he readily got into communication
                  with Cronin and was enabled to associate
                  with him from day to day
                  without arousing the doctors suspicion.
                  Since Kirby left Chicago he has not been
                  seen by any one in Europe or America. He
                  knew his danger and has not gone abroad
                  in the open light of day. However it is
                  known that he succeeded in reaching his
                  home in Niagara village, Ontario where it
                  is said he is now in hiding. The Chicago
                  detectives have reached his ear and persuaded
                  him to talk. He has told a most
                  rightful story of the conspiracy to murder
                  Cronin and says that he was shocked by being
                  asked to assist in the murderous enterprise.
                  He says that when he learned
                  Dr. Cronin was be removed last fall he
                  Hastened out of Chicago fearing he might
                  be detected.

                  From the information given by Kirby,
                  who has cleared his skirts to the satisfaction
                  of the Chicago police of complicity in
                  the murder, several arrests are about to be
                  made in Chicago. He has fully cleared up
                  the whole plot which was entered into to
                  show that Dr. Cronin had gone to Europe
                  and was murdered there. He was the man
                  who telegraphed Long from Hamilton, Ont.,
                  when the latter lost track of his mythical
                  Dr. Cronin in Toronto. He knew of all the
                  arrangements in Chicago for the murder of
                  Cronin and assisted in perfecting those
                  arrangements by communicating between Le
                  Caron and the Northside camp which
                  passed through him. Kirby has given the
                  Chicago police a long story of the conspiracy
                  to murder Cronin and so far as can
                  mow be learned it not only implicates the
                  persons now on trial for their lives but
                  fully a dozen others. Some of the latter
                  are well-known Northside citizens. These
                  are all under police surveillance and will be
                  attested within a few days, It is said that
                  four of them are already in custody.

                  Kirby is a loud-mouthed Canadian of
                  some thirty-five years of age. He was
                  born in Canada near London Ont and
                  new Cronin long before he left that place
                  to come to Chicago. He was sent here by
                  the London Times on the recommendation
                  of Sir Charles Tapper of the Dominion
                  government who knew very well that
                  Kirby by his intimate acquaintance with
                  Cronin from boyhood was well qualified
                  for the task desired of him.

                  It is said that valuable information was
                  given bv Cronin to Le Caron and Kirby,
                  each in turn, as to workings of thus
                  Clan-na-Gael In the United States. This
                  information was not given to injure the
                  cause of Ireland but to get even with his
                  enemies in the Clan-na-Gael camp, but it
                  was used to convince certain Clan-na-Gael
                  men that Cronin ought to be removed.

                  Kirby's story is relied upon by the police
                  and arrests are about to be made accordingly.
                  The officers or one of them who
                  visited Canada to see Kirby arrived home
                  Saturday night, He was in conversation
                  with General Superintendent Hubbard
                  until 1 o'clock yesterday.

                  The Salt Lake Herald, September 18, 1889, Page 1, Col 3

                  CRONIN'S MURDER

                  Revelations About Le Carons Knowledge of It

                  CHICAGO, Sept 17.-- Dr Cronin was slain
                  through the machinations of Le Caron and
                  the latter's successor, Kirby. Such at
                  least is the bit of the information which the
                  Glolic of this city claims to possess.

                  The Globe yesterday says about the time
                  Le Caron (Beach) reached England, T. J.
                  Kirby, a native Scotch Canadian, landed in
                  London England with letters of recommendation
                  from Sir Charles Tupper, of the
                  Canadian government, for the London
                  Times. Kirby was accepted to undertake a
                  mission to the United States and he received
                  his instructions from Le Caron. He
                  came to Chicago and got into communication
                  here with Cronin and most of the latter's
                  enemies. He was seen with Cronin a
                  dozen times and is known to have made
                  the acquaintance of most of the Camp 20
                  men. It was Kirby who made it appear
                  that Dr. Cronin was a friend of Le Caron
                  and when the later testified before the
                  Parnell commission concerning his United
                  States confederates, he made it plain that
                  Cronin was one of them. Kirby's conduct
                  here was calculated to strengthen that
                  belief.

                  In giving his testimony before the Parnell
                  commission Le Caron (Beach) stated
                  that other British spies in America could
                  be produced to sustain his evidence. The
                  names of these he refused to give but from
                  the knowledge that certain persons in Chicago
                  had of Kirby's relations to Dr. Cronin
                  it was concluded that Cronin had been the
                  source of Le Caron's information. This
                  was probably true. But Cronin, it is
                  claimed, gave up the information as one
                  Gael would confide with another and not
                  as a spy or an informer. After Le Caron
                  (Beach) gave his testimony before the Parnell
                  commission he went in hiding at Paris
                  and it is said wrote Dr Cronin the letter
                  below and which the Globe prints in facsimile
                  of the original handwriting. According
                  to the Globe the police are now
                  through Kirby in possession of the full
                  story of the conspiracy. The following is
                  the letter:

                  "15 Rue de Livque Paris April 22 1889,
                  --Dear Cronin You know by this time as
                  well as I do that a court of your clan
                  has condemned you. I regret this. I
                  believe you innocent, but you know the
                  circumstances. Men of desperate resolution
                  are coming against you. My dear fellow,
                  you have known mo long enough to know
                  that I desire no harm to come to you.
                  Retract and safe yourself. This you can
                  do and make your enemies friends, and I
                  think the cause in the end will lose nothing.
                  I know that you are just as true as myself to
                  the nationalist cause but my connection
                  with you has convinced the circle otherwise.
                  I cannot control my position and
                  although I know you to be innocent, I
                  can not prevent injury to you; I am powerless.
                  Make peace with them and remember what
                  I told you when I left Chicago I am confident
                  no one can stay your fate but yourself.
                  Yours, etc., BEACH."

                  Comment


                  • Hello, Lynn.
                    Perhaps I should have made myself clearer. The writing is exactly the same on the two pictures of the document so one cannot be a transcript of the other.

                    They are in very different states of repair as you point out. What I am saying we have is either the original (LFH) and a photograph of the original taken when it was in better shape; or two photographs of the same original taken at different times.

                    Best wishes,
                    Steve.

                    Comment


                    • Sullivan

                      Hello Trade. Thanks for posting this.

                      Yes, the murder of Dr. Cronin was orchestrated, it seems, by Alexander Sullivan, former Clan-na-Gael chief and founder of the break away "Triangle" faction.

                      Cronin was hacked up with an ice hatchet. Seems that Davitt was a friend to Sullivan and did not recognise him for what he was. According to Campbell, Cronin's fate was sealed when Davitt saw Cronin's name associated with the people on "the other side" at the Parnell Commission.

                      Davitt sat down with Sir Edward Jenkinson just before the Commission met in October. Apparently, Sir Ed gave Davitt, his old enemy, some information in return for a guarantee to keep his mouth shut about Frank Millen and the Jubilee Dynamite Plot.

                      Note the timing--MJK died 3 weeks later.

                      Cheers.
                      LC

                      Comment


                      • comparison

                        Hello Steven. Very well. But I think I'll do another comparison to convince myself. The one in LFH is so dim that I can hardly discern it.

                        Is the margin shift in the Casebook copy due to the position when photographed?

                        Cheers.
                        LC

                        Comment


                        • I believe so. Check the picture in Letters from Hell with a magnifying glass and compare with the picture on here. No one could possibly have made such an exact copy of the text.

                          Best wishes,
                          Steve.

                          Comment


                          • creasing

                            Hello Steven. Thanks.

                            I notice you described the creases. You are right. The neat copy looks like it is folded twice--as if for a modern day business envelope. The faded copy has very different, irregular creases. I suppose there is no chance that either was a copy of the other?

                            Do we know about the original creasing? Was it ever described?

                            Cheers.
                            LC

                            Comment


                            • Hello, Lynn.

                              It looks very much like the images on here are cropped versions of the Met. facsimile of Dear Boss and the later postcard as shown on pp 138-139 of Scotland Yard Investigates (paperback). The folds and discolouration around them match. These (the folds) were clearly made after the facsimile document was produced and do not correspond to folds on the actual letter.

                              I'm not sure about exactly how this facsimile was made but it has to be basically photographic in nature since the detail is such a perfect match. The Times of 6th October 1888 says of the facsimilies posted by the police for the public, "The exact colour of the ink and the smears of blood are reproduced..." Not sure how this was achieved since colour photography was not available at that time. The image in SYI is in black and white.

                              The images in Letters from Hell (and The Ultimate) are of the actual letter which has clearly been rather "in the wars" since the facsimile was made. It has picked up multiple creases and tears and what looks like an attempted repair. It also appears to be mounted on card. Bear in mind the whereabouts of the original were unknown for many years until it was returned anonymously around centenary time. I suppose we should be grateful it has survived at all.
                              Anyway, this is the original and therefore properly reflects the margins, which is what started us off on this! Hope that helps.

                              Best wishes,
                              Steve.

                              PS The shape of the envelope suggests it was originally folded into quarters.
                              Last edited by Steven Russell; 11-03-2011, 03:19 PM.

                              Comment


                              • thanks

                                Hello Steven. You make some excellent points. Colour reproduction would be difficult.

                                I also think you are correct that the faded copy's folds match the envelope. I am curious, however, that those folds were not reproduced on the other copy. Too bad that I am not a photography expert.

                                However, I do have some photography students in my online classes. Perhaps I can chat them up for advice?

                                Thanks.

                                Cheers.
                                LC

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X