When did the local press stop printing 'letters' from the murderer?

[Batman]

If the local press stopped printing letters from the murderer and hoax communications, could this explain why the writer may have decided to target another paper?

This and this. Sent from Jack The Ripper, 14 Dorset St., to the Ipswich Journal of the 2 Nov 1888.

Was that paper available to locals in Whitechapel?

[seanr]

The letter reported on in the Ipswich Journal on 2nd of November 1888 was not sent to that newspaper. It was a report on a letter which had been received by the Chief Constable of Yarmouth some days before.

The Chief Constable of Yarmouth at the time was a man named William Brogden. His son, also William Brogdon, was serving in H Division having joined the division around the same time as Frederick Wensley.

There's a claim that at some point William Brogdon (the younger) was reprimanded for involvement in illegal gambling and lost his Detective rank as a result, but he worked his way up to Detective Sergeant regardless.

He turns up, and with some note, in the trial of Steinie Morrison for the murder of Leon Beron on Clapham Common. There's a suggestion Detective Brogdon manipulated the witnesses Eva Flitterman and Nellie Deitch. Additionally, and more significantly, Brogdon was accussed by a constable named Greaves of having directly informed Morrison he had been arrested for the murder of Leon Beron.
It was a key claim of the police and the prosecution that Morrison's knowledge of the reason for his arrest, without having been told was incriminating. Greaves was alledging the investigating detectives, and Brogdon in particular, had deliberately informed Morrison he was arrested for murder and then feigned that had done no such thing.
Greaves record had been produced in court in an attempt to discredit him. Brogdon's own record was called into question by the defence, but the police refused to produce it. The defence implied that the reason the record was not produced was because there was something to hide.
The treatment of Greaves in this case was taken up by Inspector John Syme, the leader of the National Union of Police and Prison Officers. John Syme's accusations of corruption in police force did land him in serious legal trouble, he was discredited as a radical by the contemporary press and police unions were eventually outlawed. All this to say that accusations of corruption against William Brogdon (along with others) was influential in the eventual founding of the Police Federation (as close to a union as the police force have).

A surprising number of the prosecution witnesses in the Steinie Morrison case lived in lodging houses in Brick Lane and Thrawl Street owned by a man named McCarthy. Their landlord was almost certainly John McCarthy.

Brogdon left the police force shortly after the Morrison trial. According to one source (Arthur Harding), Brogdon then went on to work as security at a boxing club named the Ring. From early 1911 until December 1914, the Ring boxing club was majority owned by a Mr John McCarthy, the noted Spitalfields boxing promoter and landlord. It's a small world.

And the letter to H Division's Detective Brogdon was addressed as though it came from 14 Dorset Street, too.

[Batman]

The letter reported on in the Ipswich Journal on 2nd of November 1888 was not sent to that newspaper. It was a report on a letter which had been received by the Chief Constable of Yarmouth some days before.

The Chief Constable of Yarmouth at the time was a man named William Brogden. His son, also William Brogdon, was serving in H Division having joined the division around the same time as Frederick Wensley.

There's a claim that at some point William Brogdon (the younger) was reprimanded for involvement in illegal gambling and lost his Detective rank as a result, but he worked his way up to Detective Sergeant regardless.

He turns up, and with some note, in the trial of Steinie Morrison for the murder of Leon Beron on Clapham Common. There's a suggestion Detective Brogdon manipulated the witnesses Eva Flitterman and Nellie Deitch. Additionally, and more significantly, Brogdon was accussed by a constable named Greaves of having directly informed Morrison he had been arrested for the murder of Leon Beron.
It was a key claim of the police and the prosecution that Morrison's knowledge of the reason for his arrest, without having been told was incriminating. Greaves was alledging the investigating detectives, and Brogdon in particular, had deliberately informed Morrison he was arrested for murder and then feigned that had done no such thing.
Greaves record had been produced in court in an attempt to discredit him. Brogdon's own record was called into question by the defence, but the police refused to produce it. The defence implied that the reason the record was not produced was because there was something to hide.
The treatment of Greaves in this case was taken up by Inspector John Syme, the leader of the National Union of Police and Prison Officers. John Syme's accusations of corruption in police force did land him in serious legal trouble, he was discredited as a radical by the contemporary press and police unions were eventually outlawed. All this to say that accusations of corruption against William Brogdon (along with others) was influential in the eventual founding of the Police Federation (as close to a union as the police force have).

A surprising number of the prosecution witnesses in the Steinie Morrison case lived in lodging houses in Brick Lane and Thrawl Street owned by a man named McCarthy. Their landlord was almost certainly John McCarthy.

Brogdon left the police force shortly after the Morrison trial. According to one source (Arthur Harding), Brogdon then went on to work as security at a boxing club named the Ring. From early 1911 until December 1914, the Ring boxing club was majority owned by a Mr John McCarthy, the noted Spitalfields boxing promoter and landlord. It's a small world.

And the letter to H Division's Detective Brogdon was addressed as though it came from 14 Dorset Street, too.

I also read your other post here. https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...546#post745546

I have an explanation for what is going on. This works with the speculation that Barnett was sending letters to get more newspaper content to scare MJK. When the papers aren't reporting, more women went back to work.

I want to know if there was an order for the press to stop printing letters around a certain time and this may be a reason why the offender started to make mistakes trying to get more news coverage with the Yarmouth letter. When he didn't think the letter got any attention he probably continued on that downward spiral of making mistakes.

JtR was nearly caught several times. They were on his heels.

[seanr]

The previous post was a wee while ago now, I hadn't yet known about Brogdon's connection to Steinie Morrision case. Which many had misgivings about the conviction, and with good cause with anomalies in the police investigation. There is the interesting coincidence of the Brittania and Wellington piers, and the Brittannia and Duke of Wellington pubs close to Dorset Street.

It turns out there was a horse racing course at Great Yarmouth (it's still there) and some young siblings with the surname Sabini would get themselves into trouble in the area from time to time. Also some of the hoodlums from the Spitalfields area were known to turn up there. One of the Sabini brothers had a boxing career, I'm led to believe although he didn't usually use the name Sabini when he boxed.

[seanr]

I'm not sure I find the idea of writing letters in order to scare Mary Kelly when they were published in the papers, to be a plausible explanation for writing letters. He could not have known which ones would get published or not.

[Batman]

I'm not sure I find the idea of writing letters in order to scare Mary Kelly when they were published in the papers, to be a plausible explanation for writing letters. He could not have known which ones would get published or not.

I probably wasn't clear here. I meant he wanted something in any paper to scare her. When the stories died down he either needed to kill again or remind the papers he could be active again. If the papers were asked to stop printing letters, then he would be under pressure to get them printed or kill again. Hence making mistakes. Hence the Dorset Street address.

[John Wheat]

It's important to note that many or even all of the letters were not written by the Ripper.

[Fiver]

It's important to note that many or even all of the letters were not written by the Ripper.

Agreed. All were probably hoaxes. The Ripper ones caught on, giving us a name and a persona that likely had little or nothing to do with the actual killers. Many gave no name at all. Other letters gave different names, such as Sam the Slaughterer and Bill the Boweler.

[Fiver]

Here's an article analyzing the letters. In Supplementary Materials it gives the the text of 209 of them.

[Abby Normal]

i own letters from hell and have read all of the ripper letters and only a handful have any possibility of being authentic IMHO:

Dear boss/saucy jack
from hell
openshaw (possibly from author of from hell)
1896 winters coming letter (possibly from author of dear boss/ saucy jack)

some others are intriguing for various reasons but above stand out.