FBI? Scotland Yard experts. I know its probably a dumb question to ask now but has there been ANY recent attempts to analyze the handwriting to link the letters to see if they were done by the same hand???
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I keep wondering the same thing. I've looked at a few of the letters, and at least two of them (the "Dear Boss" and the "I will finish you") letters look like they were written by the same person. If you put them right next together on the screen, the lines in both letters have the same slope to them and the first letter in a word is detached from the rest of the word, etc.
Whoever wrote those was a serious nutbar.
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Originally posted by amarti9 View PostFBI? Scotland Yard experts. I know its probably a dumb question to ask now but has there been ANY recent attempts to analyze the handwriting to link the letters to see if they were done by the same hand???
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Originally posted by AmandaG View PostI keep wondering the same thing. I've looked at a few of the letters, and at least two of them (the "Dear Boss" and the "I will finish you") letters look like they were written by the same person. If you put them right next together on the screen, the lines in both letters have the same slope to them and the first letter in a word is detached from the rest of the word, etc.
Whoever wrote those was a serious nutbar.
Always good to see fellow Canadians here.
A point you made above is critical when considering the letters as potential evidence....there may well have been a few writers that wrote multiple hoax letters. Thats why even if Sickerts DNA is identified one day on a "Ripper" letter or envelope, it may just mean he wrote a hoax letter.
I think its fair to say that the Ripper didnt need to prod the press into publishing his "stories", and the letters most are familiar with do not suggest torment or someone struggling to subdue an alter ego gone wild. Something that would prompt a killer to reach out via communiques, I would think.
The only handwriting analysis of any consequence in my opinion, is that of the alleged Diary. And that hasnt yielded any clues to the Rippers identity thus far.
That is as far as crime evidence is concerned.
But it would be nice to know for sure that the journalists thought to have concocted Dear Boss and Saucy Jack were in fact the culprits.
All the best
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Gman,
I can tell your new to this subject,
but there are over 100 ripper letters and quite a few suspects.
So Im sure you can add it up.
One analyze won't make a difference.
Happy New Year.Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-Avon
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Originally posted by chudmuskett View PostI dont know if this answers your question but I have just watched a program about the Dear Boss letter, it was analyzed by a writting expert and then compared to a reporters hand writting who worked for the Star, their concusion was that the letter was indead written by this reporter (not JTR) but, not only that, he was copying it
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Once he was satisfied with the content, he copied it in the red ink and on the paper that he actually mailed.
Writers rewrite all the time, honing and polishing the product until it's ready for public consumption.
curious
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Originally posted by DVV View PostJack was actually a huge team of writers, Corey.
Amitiés,
David
I,personally, on give credence to the "Lusk letter" the rest, in my opinion, are most likely hoaxes.Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-Avon
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Yes, someone did back in ,I think, 1962.
Originally posted by Gman992 View PostDidn't a criminalist analyze the handwriting in the late 1960s?
The criminologist/graphologist, from memory was a ". C.McLaren" or a ". Mcgregor"...,
some Scottish name. Published, I think, in the London Hospital Gazette or The Criminologist.
I've just this second looked up my ancient "A to Z of JTR", a Canadian(!!) named "C.M.MacLeod".He suggested the author of the letters was aged 20-45with rudimentary education; possibly a heavy drinker; cockily self-confident.
He also thought the writer showed a mind with a vicious drive, great cunning, the capability of conceiving and carrying out any atrocity, and enough brains to hold down a steady job and mask his personality.(Paraphrased).
Apparently someone else named Thomas J. Mann also contributed his opinions.
There was a recent book on the JTR letters, I think, by the illustrious duo,
Stewart P. Evans and Keith Skinner. JOHN RUFFELS.
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I have to say I am highly skeptical of Graphology. There seems to be not much evidence for Graphology as a meaningful discipline when it comes to making informed statements about the psyche of the writer.
Forensic document examination on the other hand may provide some clues but more about the context of the writing (is it a genuine letter from that time? what paper was it written on? where and when was that paper produced and/or sold?) and maybe on whether a person we actually have sample of has written the document in question.
For some further reading I'd suggest http://www.skepdic.com/graphol.html as a starting point."The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." - Quellcrist Falconer
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Johannes Clauberg
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Yes, JSchmidt, I am familiar with the site that you provided. And while I understand your doubts regarding graphology, I can assure you that it is highly effective, and very useful. No, we do not look at the tools the writer uses, that is to say not where the paper or pen was purchased, but the type of writing instrument, the kind of paper, the context, and the manner in which it was produced.
The small analysis that are read online are nothing to be compared to the real analysis that are done when done in-depth for a client.
Joseph
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Originally posted by JosephDurham View PostI am a Graphologist and have been in search of larger scans of the documents in order to put together such a work. If anyone is willing to help me with this endeavor, and supplying me with the scans, your name will certainly appear in the work.
Thank you,
Joseph
Love,
Caz
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