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  • #16
    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
    If he cut himself while visiting the wounds upon Eddowes, then might he have folded the apron in order to make it into an improvised bandage? Just brainstorming.
    Unique amongst the murders, he almost certainly got excrement on his hands (how else did fecal matter get _smeared_ over her intestines?), so my contention has long been that the apron piece was cut off to be used as an impromptu hand-towel.
    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
      If he cut himself while visiting the wounds upon Eddowes, then might he have folded the apron in order to make it into an improvised bandage? Just brainstorming.
      As it contained fecal matter, I rather doubt not.
      "We do not remember days, we remember moments." ~ Cesare Pavese

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post
        Interesting discussion.


        The idea that the killer took time to display and present his victim, and subsequently place items/clothing belonging to each of the victims post mortem, does suggest the killer had the presence of mind and awareness to measure the risk of being caught, against the need to carry out his ritual.

        We have Chapman's personal items at her feet, Eddowes apron removed and then placed under the GSG, Kelly's body parts distributed around the room, Mckenzie's clay pipe, and multiple victims hats/bonnets left by the head.

        With Stride it's less obvious....but we have the Cachou in her hand, possibly placed post mortem.

        All of the murder sites had an element of deliberate staging by the killer.

        Call it compulsion, ritual, expression, necessity; the killer incorporated certain thought processes into his method and applied them accordingly at the time.

        The combination of frenzied cuts with the knife, with a deliberate intention to display and present a victim post mortem, speaks of a killer with multiple faces; someone who was able to conceal their intentions when choosing their victim, and then drop their facade at the point of initial attack.

        This does not suggest a raving lunatic, but more a calm and calculated killer, who at face value came across as just another regular guy.

        Fascinating.
        Example: Ted Bundy, raging killer, but colour-coded his carefully folded socks in two sock drawers.
        "We do not remember days, we remember moments." ~ Cesare Pavese

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
          Unique amongst the murders, he almost certainly got excrement on his hands (how else did fecal matter get _smeared_ over her intestines?), so my contention has long been that the apron piece was cut off to be used as an impromptu hand-towel.
          To enter his home... shall we find a folded handtowel?
          "We do not remember days, we remember moments." ~ Cesare Pavese

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          • #20
            whos gonna wipe crap off their hands and then fold it up before discarding it!?! if it actually was folded, then imho it lends to the idea it was taken to a bolt hole first and or placed there on purpose.

            good eye Books!
            "Is all that we see or seem
            but a dream within a dream?"

            -Edgar Allan Poe


            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

            -Frederick G. Abberline

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              whos gonna wipe crap off their hands and then fold it up before discarding it!?! if it actually was folded, then imho it lends to the idea it was taken to a bolt hole first and or placed there on purpose.

              good eye Books!
              Thanks, Abby Normal.
              It was an easy catch, though, as nothing about this killer screams folded. Anyone here sees the word folded, and they would stop in their tracks, too.

              Then you ponder...
              Annie Chapman's items at feet
              Eye nicks on Catherine Eddowes
              Hands on chests

              Time was Jack's friend, not his enemy.
              That in itself is a major clue.
              "We do not remember days, we remember moments." ~ Cesare Pavese

              Cheers!

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