source of rumour

[Debra A]

Just a thought-Is the snippet from the Echo not just telling us that the among Invincibles who received penal servitude for life (Hanlon did?)all of them are still in prison despite the rumours of early release and when saying Tim Kelly's sentence 'expired some time ago', they are saying that he was hanged?

That could be it, but seems a bit colourful for standard journalism.

Hi again, Lynn.
It says that Kelly's "time" expired a while back, and not his sentence. IMHO opinion it is referring to his hanging.

[lynn cates]

roster

Hello Debs. Thanks.

James Mullett (10 years) was released 1891; Joe Mullett (life), 1899.

Others:

Daniel Delaney (10 years), 1891.

Patrick Delaney, discharged, ill health.

Peter Doyle, continuing bail.

Thomas Doyle (5 years), 1887.

John Dwyer, discharged ill health.

Robert Farrell, secretly resettled.

James Fitzharris (life), 1899.

Joseph Hanlon, secretly resettled.

Laurence Hanlon (life), 1899.

Michael Kavanagh, secretly resettled. (Died in Britain 1886)

Thomas Martin. Released on own recognisance.

Edward McCaffrey (10 years), 1891.

William Moroney (10 years), 1890.

Edward O'Brien (10 years), 1891.

George Smith. Released on own recognisance.

Joseph Smith, secretly resettled.

Patrick Whelan, discharged.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

What time is it?

Hello (again) Debs. Thanks.

"Does he mean the ones who got ten years and should have been released April 93?"

Not sure. Tynan is hard to read. It seems he wrote over a period of years and it is never clear to me which time he refers to.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Time's up.

Hello (yet again) Debs. Rather like having his ticket punched? Could be.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

small beer

Hello Debs. I wonder whether there were not many minor "Irish National Invincibles" who were detained and not mentioned by Molony? Does Tynan say?

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Another Kelly who got a shorter sentence do you mean? Could be, Lynn.

Thanks for the list. So, Hanlon and Mullet were the only ones to get life if I haven't missed something? So the Echo article must have been about one of them?

This is what Tynan writes about Mullett:

Joseph Mullet is at this date, December, 1893, in a dungeon
of the enemy. He and his comrades, at a single word from
this Briton, W. E. Gladstone, could be restored to the outer
world ; but his mouthpiece, Mr. Asquith, tells the Irish race
that he (Mullet) and his imprisoned colleagues will not be
released.

Hanlon was also still in prison until 99 according to an earlier post of yours, so the report that the rumours about the release of a 'lifer' only five years later were untrue, was correct? The rumour may have come about with Doyle being released in 87?

Edit: And Fitzharris got life too. And all were said to be released in 99.

[lynn cates]

Doyle

Hello Debs. Thanks. I omitted the ones hanged.

I wonder if the Kelly were Tim Kelly, why the other hanged chaps--Curley, Brady and Fagan--were not mentioned? Of course, Kelly was a bit later--he had 2 mistrials.

I feel that the rumour was merely that--a rumour. But I wonder its source? Doyle sounds somewhat promising. Perhaps someone just ascribed him to London. NOT a good place to be if you are let out, I should think.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

I wonder where the original rumour, that the Echo is refuting, was published?
Maybe it was in another paper and it mentioned Kelly's name?

[lynn cates]

report

Hello Debs. Thanks.

Yes, indeed! I am not sure how to understand "report" here. I presume it is colloquial--something like "story"? A paper report or official release would be much more involved.

Wonder if "The Times" or "Daily News" would have published a rumour or letter to the editor, say, within a week of "The Echo" article?

Cheers.
LC