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    Jack (not his real name) was born in 1861 in Hertfordshire, but the family moved to London whilst he was young.

    In his teens he met the love of his life and they had plans to get married, banns were read, but the marriage was delayed. His girlfriend, who by then went by Jack’s surname, fell pregnant but he never saw his son. One fateful day he and his intended had a huge row over his lazy ways and the fact that he pawned her best dress without her knowing. During the row, he attempted to strangle his girlfriend’s sister, then having thrown his fiancée to the floor he grabbed a knife from the table and drew it across her throat causing serious injury that required hospitalisation. She begged for mercy and, thankfully, on this occasion, our man relented.

    At his trial the Judge said that it was lucky he was not being tried for murder – as it was he received 7 years imprisonment in 1881. Whilst inside, he still harboured thoughts of his love and thought that they could make a go of it again upon his release. One day he received a letter that made it clear his one-time fiancé had met and married someone else. What’s more his son was being brought up with another man’s name. He kept his seething resentment hidden until his release on license towards the end of 1886.

    He tried to find his lost love and his child, but struggled. After all, they had a different name now. He asked around the people she might have known but none would give him the information he needed. Unable to contain his anger any longer, he embarked on a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of a number of prostitutes in the Whitechapel area where he resided at the time. All these murders had some connection or other with his ex-fiancée. People known to her, names similar, places similar and, of course, the throat injuries – at any rate his ex could have been in no doubt that he was the murderer and would have got to her too if he could.

    It was all too much – Jack was then in and out of asylums and got in trouble for using threatening behaviour. He also may have enjoyed a short lived marriage but I don’t know what happened to his wife. He died, still a very troubled man, in 1910 at the age of 49. His son died in Belgium during the First World War.

    This is simply a story that has some basis in reality and some quite remarkable real life co-incidences, not included above. Our Jack was 28 at the time of the Ripper murders – so he couldn’t be JTR, could he?

  • #2
    Originally posted by MysterySinger View Post
    It was all too much – Jack was then in and out of asylums and got in trouble for using threatening behaviour. He also may have enjoyed a short lived marriage but I don’t know what happened to his wife. He died, still a very troubled man, in 1910 at the age of 49. His son died in Belgium during the First World War.

    This is simply a story that has some basis in reality and some quite remarkable real life co-incidences, not included above. Our Jack was 28 at the time of the Ripper murders – so he couldn’t be JTR, could he?
    It sounds like an interesting story, but that's about it - at this point it sounds like a story. However can you clarify the son who died in Belgium. Is this the son he had with the fiancé who he attacked and who married another man who raised the boy as his own, or did "Jack" have a son by the brief second marriage? And when you said you don't know what happened to Jack's wife, while I suspect it is the wife of the "second marriage" you refer to, could it possibly be the fiancé whom he attacked?

    Jeff

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MysterySinger View Post
      Our Jack was 28 at the time of the Ripper murders – so he couldn’t be JTR, could he?
      His age I'd say is spot on. A much better fit than 53

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      • #4
        Jack was almost twice that age.

        Ironically one of his son-in-laws pretty much ran the most famous asylum of all.
        My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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        • #5
          You don't say

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          • #6
            .

            I don't understand. Did this really happen or are you writing a story? Who is the person you are speaking of?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MysterySinger View Post
              Jack (not his real name) was born in 1861 in Hertfordshire, but the family moved to London whilst he was young.

              In his teens he met the love of his life and they had plans to get married, banns were read, but the marriage was delayed. His girlfriend, who by then went by Jack’s surname, fell pregnant but he never saw his son. One fateful day he and his intended had a huge row over his lazy ways and the fact that he pawned her best dress without her knowing. During the row, he attempted to strangle his girlfriend’s sister, then having thrown his fiancée to the floor he grabbed a knife from the table and drew it across her throat causing serious injury that required hospitalisation. She begged for mercy and, thankfully, on this occasion, our man relented.

              At his trial the Judge said that it was lucky he was not being tried for murder – as it was he received 7 years imprisonment in 1881. Whilst inside, he still harboured thoughts of his love and thought that they could make a go of it again upon his release. One day he received a letter that made it clear his one-time fiancé had met and married someone else. What’s more his son was being brought up with another man’s name. He kept his seething resentment hidden until his release on license towards the end of 1886.

              He tried to find his lost love and his child, but struggled. After all, they had a different name now. He asked around the people she might have known but none would give him the information he needed. Unable to contain his anger any longer, he embarked on a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of a number of prostitutes in the Whitechapel area where he resided at the time. All these murders had some connection or other with his ex-fiancée. People known to her, names similar, places similar and, of course, the throat injuries – at any rate his ex could have been in no doubt that he was the murderer and would have got to her too if he could.

              It was all too much – Jack was then in and out of asylums and got in trouble for using threatening behaviour. He also may have enjoyed a short lived marriage but I don’t know what happened to his wife. He died, still a very troubled man, in 1910 at the age of 49. His son died in Belgium during the First World War.

              This is simply a story that has some basis in reality and some quite remarkable real life co-incidences, not included above. Our Jack was 28 at the time of the Ripper murders – so he couldn’t be JTR, could he?
              Hi MS
              sounds reasonable to me. Except that the victims have some kind of connection to his ex. They were probably just random victims who he took his anger out on.
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mayerling View Post
                It sounds like an interesting story, but that's about it - at this point it sounds like a story. However can you clarify the son who died in Belgium. Is this the son he had with the fiancé who he attacked and who married another man who raised the boy as his own, or did "Jack" have a son by the brief second marriage? And when you said you don't know what happened to Jack's wife, while I suspect it is the wife of the "second marriage" you refer to, could it possibly be the fiancé whom he attacked?

                Jeff
                The son who died in Belgium was "Jack's" by his fiancee and was born whilst Jack was inside. The son originally carried the same name as Jack.

                The wife of Jack that I refer to as not knowing what happened to was the lady from his brief marriage. He never actually married his original fiancee.

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                • #9
                  Brenda - this is a true story but with a few assumptions thrown in. The truth is in bold here....

                  Jack (not his real name) was born in 1861 in Hertfordshire, but the family moved to London whilst he was young.

                  In his teens he met the love of his life and they had plans to get married, banns were read, but the marriage was delayed. His girlfriend, who by then went by Jack’s surname, fell pregnant
                  but he never saw his son. One fateful day he and his intended had a huge row over his lazy ways and the fact that he pawned her best dress without her knowing. During the row, he attempted to strangle his girlfriend’s sister, then having thrown his fiancée to the floor he grabbed a knife from the table and drew it across her throat causing serious injury that required hospitalisation. She begged for mercy and, thankfully, on this occasion, our man relented.

                  At his trial the Judge said that it was lucky he was not being tried for murder – as it was he received 7 years imprisonment in 1881. Whilst inside, he still harboured thoughts of his love and thought that they could make a go of it again upon his release. One day he received a letter that made it clear his one-time fiancé had met and married someone else. What’s more his son was being brought up with another man’s name. He kept his seething resentment hidden until his release on license towards the end of 1886.

                  He tried to find his lost love and his child, but struggled. After all, they had a different name now. He asked around the people she might have known but none would give him the information he needed. Unable to contain his anger any longer, he embarked on a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of a number of prostitutes in the Whitechapel area where he resided at the time. All these murders had some connection or other with his ex-fiancée. People known to her, names similar, places similar and, of course, the throat injuries – at any rate his ex could have been in no doubt that he was the murderer and would have got to her too if he could.

                  It was all too much – Jack was then in and out of asylums and got in trouble for using threatening behaviour. He also may have enjoyed a short lived marriage but I don’t know what happened to his wife. He died, still a very troubled man, in 1910 at the age of 49. His son died in Belgium during the First World War.

                  This is simply a story that has some basis in reality and some quite remarkable real life co-incidences, not included above. Our Jack was 28 at the time of the Ripper murders – so he couldn’t be JTR, could he?

                  Please IM me if you wish to know the real names of the folks involved and, perhaps, would like to assist with or carry out some more research on them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                    Hi MS
                    sounds reasonable to me. Except that the victims have some kind of connection to his ex. They were probably just random victims who he took his anger out on.
                    Abby you could easily be right.

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                    • #11
                      Time to give you the real names in my Story of Jack - you might think it spooky - or will you?
                      The facts are in bold - unbolded is fiction only....

                      Francis Henry Crook was born in 1861 in Hertfordshire, but the family moved to London whilst he was young.

                      In his teens he met his love, Annie Ripper and they had plans to get married, banns were read, but the marriage was delayed. His girlfriend, who by then went by the name of Annie Crook fell pregnant. One fateful day he and his intended had a huge row over his lazy ways and the fact that he pawned her best dress without her knowing. During the row, he attempted to strangle his girlfriend’s sister, then having thrown his fiancée to the floor he grabbed a knife from the table and drew it across her throat causing serious injury that required hospitalisation. She begged for mercy and, thankfully, on this occasion, he relented. At his trial the Judge said that i was lucky he was not being tried for murder - as it was he received 7 years imprisonment in 1881


                      Whilst inside, he still harboured thoughts of his love and thought that they could make a go of it again upon his release. One day he received a letter that made it clear his one-time fiancé had met and married someone else.

                      Annie's new partner was Francis Barnard Secker. What’s more her son, Francis H T Crook was being brought up with Secker's surname

                      Francis Henry Crook kept his seethig resentment hidden until his release on license towards the end of 1886.

                      He tried to find his lost love and his child, but struggled. After all, they had a different name now. He asked around the people she might have known but none would give him the information he needed. Unable to contain his anger any longer, he embarked on a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of a number of prostitutes in the Whitechapel area where he resided at the time. All these murders had some connection or other with his ex-fiancée. People known to her, names similar, places similar and, of course, the throat injuries – at any rate his ex could have been in no doubt that he was the murderer and would have got to her too if he could.

                      Francis Henry Crook was then in and out of asylums and got in trouble for using threatening behaviour. It is not certain when he died. His son died in Belgium during the First World War.

                      This is simply a story based on some factual evidence. A strange co-incidence is that the Ripper family lived at 10 Spiller's Court.

                      Francis Henry Crook was aged 28 at the time of the Ripper murders. No one could suspect him of being JTR.

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