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On reading through a chronology of events the following items struck me as an unusual coincidence. August 28th 1888, James Munro resigns as assistant commissioner. August 31st murder of Mary Ann Nicholls (first of c5 victims) November 9th 1888 murder of Mary Jane Kelly (last of c5 victims) November 13th Munro returns to police service as commissioner. A strange coincidence indeed.
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Hi All,
Just on a point of accuracy—
Monro sent his letter of resignation on Thursday, 16th August. Anderson's pension records show that he was in post from Saturday, 25th August, although he wasn't Gazetted [announced in the London Gazette] until Tuesday, 28th August.
It is reasonable to suppose that the two men had a hand-over period.
Regards,
SimonNever believe anything until it has been officially denied.Comment
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Hi, JRH,
Many thanks for your perceptive and invaluable observation.
Try Pub Talk.
Regards,
SimonNever believe anything until it has been officially denied.Comment
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These observations are one of the main "arguments" used to identify JTR as Macnaghten in a recent French "study" (indeed, it would deserve thousands ") published in France last year.Originally posted by brummie View Post
I hope you will use them for a better purpose...
And I'm sure you will.
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are you implying that the comish may in your opinion have something to do with the JTR killings?Comment
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Or pehaps a Monro supporter witha twisted sense of loyalty. If i remember correctly one of the reasons Monro resigned originally was the fact that he wanted to appoint Macnaghten as assistant chief constable, after meeting and becoming friends with him while in India, a move blocked by Warren. Only after Monro returns as commissioner and Warren leaves is Macnaghten appointed.Comment
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Actually the Home Office Police Admissions book shows Anderson taking office on September 1st, the day after the Nichols murder, and his own autobiography backs this up. But yes, there could well have been a period of changeover.Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostSay hello: http://www.myspace.com/alansharpauthorComment
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Hi Ash,
Thanks for the clarification.
Sorry, I should have said that Anderson's pension record shows that he was "appointed 3rd Assistant Commissioner of Metropolitan Police, 25 August, 1888 . . ." [Ultimate Sourcebook].
Regards,
SimonNever believe anything until it has been officially denied.Comment
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Not in my opinion, please!Originally posted by dios61188 View Post
I just said that a recent "study" claims that Macnaghten is JTR. He would have start killing to take revenge, because Warren rejected him - the reason why Monro resigned.
I recommend this book as the most funny ever written on Jack.
More than Maybrick Diary, I swear.
Any publishers interested?
DVV (broken-english speaker)Comment
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What the heck did they "study" for this theory?
The words 'straws' and 'clutching' come to mind, amongst a great many others.
Roll up the lino, Mother. We're raising Behemoth tonight!
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Hi Steje73
You don't know the half of it. This was on the boards that got lost, and I don't know if it's been recovered anywhere, but the woman who wrote this book posted (under several aliases) pushing her theory and her book on here for a while. It quickly became apparent that the cornerstone of her theory, on which everything else hung, was that an explosive meeting between Sir Charles Warren and James Monro had taken place in Warren's office on the night of Tuesday August 28th, at the conclusion of which Monro gave Warren his resignation and stormed out, passing Macnaghtan who was in the outer office at the time and heard every word.
When both Grey Hunter and myself confronted her with the three simple facts that a. Monro resigned on the 16th, b. Anderson had already been informed of his appointment to the office before the 28th and c. Warren was in the South of France on that date and couldn't possibly have been meeting anyone in his office, and provided her with actual physical evidence to back up all three of these facts, she started screaming that we were lying and had fabricated the evidence to try to discredit her.
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it!Say hello: http://www.myspace.com/alansharpauthorComment
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a little bit more about Macnaghten the killer
I agree, this kind of dishonest studies is a loss of time.
Still, ripperologists lost a great amount of time with Maybrick. And I'm afraid they will loose time on Macnaghten if unfortunately the book is to be translated into English. Who knows?
About the "explosive meeting" who never was, just let me tell you that the author made it the very core of her "demonstration"!
For the sake of precision, I would mention that Begg quotes a letter from Warren that indicates he was in Brittany on aug.28, so not Southern France.
Many thanks,
DVV (broken-english poster)Comment
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a little bit more about Macnaghten the ripper
I agree, this kind of dishonest studies is a loss of time.
Still, ripperologists lost a great amount of time with Maybrick. And I'm afraid they will loose time on Macnaghten if unfortunately the book is to be translated into English. Who knows?
About the "explosive meeting" that never was, just let me tell you that the author made it the very core of her "demonstration"!
For the sake of precision, I would mention that Begg quotes a letter from Warren that indicates he was in Brittany on aug.28, so not Southern France.
Many thanks,
DVV (broken-english poster)Comment
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