Different Killers

[Trevor Marriott]

Sorry Trevor but in any modern case the geoprofiling here would have everyone in that area DNA tested.

You have the typical geoprofiling radial signature here that modern investigators hope to find. Yet you ignore it for an outside force. Go figure.

But we are not talking about modern day crimes or cases

The profiling all falls down if the killer came from outside the area to kill

[Jon Guy]

The cachous were held between the fore finger and the thumb, quite a strange way to hold on to something especially just after having been attacked.

Hi Natasha

The hand was relaxing after death so the cachous could have been held in a fist (whilst defending herself) and then slipped as her hand relaxed.

[Batman]

But we are not talking about modern day crimes or cases

The profiling all falls down if the killer came from outside the area to kill

What you are suggesting is unprecedented in any shape or form and is wholey unreasonable. This is because the geoprofiling left behind by the Whitechapel murderer has been used for about a century to catch countless serial killers around the planet to the point that serial killers with a deeper forensic awareness deliberately avoid creating such a geoprofile.

What you want us to believe is that this accidental pattern just happened to form and therefore accidentally gave future investigations a tool to catch serial offenders.

That's just nonsense. No criminology department worth its salt would teach what you are proposing.

[lynn cates]

Lave it be.

Hello John. Thanks!

Your post incorporates many of my concerns. And, yes, Kidney won't work.

Lave? I like him. Biggest problem: He seems to have volunteered for an interview with a paper.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

summary

Hello CD. Good summary of the cachous.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

no box

Hello Natasha. Um, no box, paper only.

Why would someone place them in her hand?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

salty peanuts

Hello Trevor.

"But if you had killed Stride in a busy area and had perhaps been disturbed, and with the likelihood of someone seeing you who you hadn't seen, you would want to get off the streets as quick as possible not go looking for another victim."

But don't forget the salty peanuts argument. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

work

Hello John.

"And then there is the problem of the cachous. Wouldn't she have been likely to have taken them out when feeling reasonably relaxed? In other words, not just after having had a stressful, heated argument/discussion."

Right. You and CD are doing all my work for me. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

lust

Hello BM.

"In the annals of crime there is no precedence, zero, for the multi lust killer hypothesis being presented here."

But who would be silly enough to believe in ANY lust killer, let alone many?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

heh-heh

Hello (again) BM.

"Obviously you haven't experienced court cases where forensics uses them constantly."

Oh, dear.

Cheers.
LC

[Batman]

Hello BM.

"In the annals of crime there is no precedence, zero, for the multi lust killer hypothesis being presented here."

But who would be silly enough to believe in ANY lust killer, let alone many?

Cheers.
LC

Obviously you have no idea what criminology is. There is peer review galore on this.

http://m.ijo.sagepub.com/content/45/1/6.refs

International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology (IJO), peer-reviewed and published monthly, for more than five decades.

Sounds like your making up this discipline as you go along and making up your own version of it.

[Batman]

Hello (again) BM.

"Obviously you haven't experienced court cases where forensics uses them constantly."

Oh, dear.

Cheers.
LC

Holocaust denial for neo-nazis
Evolution denial for creationists
Criminology denial for the multiple killer guess.

Coequally these denials are based on the misguided folly that there is no discipline to explain them despite the evidence to contrary.

Look forward to your peer reviewed paper on why serial lust killers don't exist.

Look forward to Trevor's paper on why geoprofiling is useless.

In the meantime I will stick with tried and tested analysis tools that neither of you seem to know about.

[c.d.]

Hi All

I have mentioned in another thread, that they may have been placed in her hand after she was killed. The cachous were held between the fore finger and the thumb, quite a strange way to hold on to something especially just after having been attacked.

Also they were not only wrapped in tissue paper. They were in a box and the box was wrapped in tissue paper.

Hello Natasha,

I have never heard that they were in a box. Can you give a reference to that?

c.d.

[Trevor Marriott]

Holocaust denial for neo-nazis
Evolution denial for creationists
Criminology denial for the multiple killer guess.

Coequally these denials are based on the misguided folly that there is no discipline to explain them despite the evidence to contrary.

Look forward to your peer reviewed paper on why serial lust killers don't exist.

Look forward to Trevor's paper on why geoprofiling is useless.

In the meantime I will stick with tried and tested analysis tools that neither of you seem to know about.

Get back to reality this is The Whitechapel Murders of 1888 !

Where is the conclsuive evidence that all of the victims from 1888-1891 were all killed by the same hand?

[Michael W Richards]

Both Eagle and Mrs. Diemschitz told the police that they believed they would have heard anything out of the ordinary as the were near an open door. That seems to suggest there was no argument as you would expect in a domestic dispute. Couple that with the fact that Liz was not slapped or hit in the face or stabbed anywhere in the body. You would think that those would have occurred had it been a domestic. And of course there is the police report saying that they did not find anything in her personal life that would lead to such a conclusion.

c.d.

Fanny Mortimer also said that she found it very hard to believe that Mrs Diemshitz would not have heard any row in the passageway, and Fanny didn't reside on property that was operated by anarchists and wasn't married to the club steward.

There must always be a clear path to the truth before anything can be believed, in the case of the statements of anyone directly linked with the club, there is ample reason to wonder how much they tailored their statements to protect their livelihood.

Cheers