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    At the Inquest on the death of Catherine Eddowes we are provided with a variety of opinions on the condition of the apron, or pieces of apron. There seems to be some contention over which piece of apron was "spotted with blood", as opposed to "smeared with blood".

    The principal source has always been the testimony of Dr. F. G. Brown, though what was captured of his testimony in the official record is not by itself altogether clear.

    The court record is not a continuous narrative, it is a collection of responses from the doctor to questions posed by the court. These replies are introduced by a 'dash' “-”, which is often used to indicate the new beginning of a reply to a question.

    Here is a short example of the court record:
    My attention was called to the apron – It was the corner of the apron with a string attached The blood spots were of recent origin – I have seen a portion of an apron produced by Dr Phillips...

    In this example we can see the location of the first 'dash' (“apron – It”), and the second 'dash' (“origin – I”), but there is no 'dash' between (“attached The blood”), where the response, “The blood spots were of recent origin” is an answer to a specific question. I point this out because although the 'dash' is a reasonable indicator, its use is not always consistent.

    There are also instances where the 'dash' is used at the end of a line to indicate continuation. So for the most part this 'dash' indicates the beginning of a response to a question, but in order to learn what that question was we must turn to the press.

    If we separate the individual replies by Dr. Brown, it may help to clarify.

    Doctor Browns first reply was:
    My attention was called to the apron

    To which we find two accounts in the press, with one actually providing the question.
    Was your attention called to this portion of an apron which was found upon the woman?-It was....(Morning Advertiser).
    My attention was called to the apron which the woman was wearing...(Daily News).


    The second reply is:
    It was the corner of the apron with a string attached

    The press version.
    It was a portion of an apron cut, with the string attached to it (produced).....(Daily News).

    The third reply:
    The blood spots were of recent origin

    The press wrote:
    Mr. Crawford. - Could you say whether the blood spots on the piece of apron produced were of recent origin? Witness. - They are of recent origin....(Times).
    There were stains of blood upon the apron. Are the stains of recent origin?-They are....(Morning Advertiser).
    The blood stains on it are recent....(Daily News).

    We benefit from the above by seeing that both the Morning Advertiser & The Times were providing the questions. Also we can see that not all the press sources covered each reply. They were being selective.
    Only the Daily News & Morning Advertiser offered the first reply. The Times began their coverage with the third reply, and the Daily Telegraph, and Morning Post, began with the fourth reply (below).

    I have seen a portion of an apron produced by Dr Phillips and stated to have been found in Goulstone Street

    The press:
    [Coroner] Was your attention called to the portion of the apron that was found in Goulston-street? - Yes....(Daily Telegraph).
    There was a piece of apron found in Goulston-street,...(Morning Post).
    Dr. Phillips brought in a piece of apron found in Goulston street, which fits what is missing in the one found on the body....(Daily News).
    Dr. Phillips afterwards brought me a piece of apron which had been found in Goulston-street by a policeman....(Morning Advertiser).
    Dr. Phillips brought on a piece of apron which had been found by a policeman in Goulston-street....(Times).

    The fifth repy:
    It is impossible to say it is human blood

    Mr. Crawford. - Is it impossible to assert that it is human blood? Witness. - Yes; it is blood....(Times).
    It is impossible to assert that the blood is human blood....(Daily News).
    The stains are those of blood, but it is impossible to say that it is human blood...(Morning Advertiser).

    ..and the sixth:
    I fitted the piece of apron which had a new piece of material on it which had been evidently sewn on to the piece I have The seams of the borders of the two actually corresponding

    I fitted that portion which was spotted with blood to the remaining portion, which was still attached by the strings to the body....(Daily Telegraph).

    And finally:
    Some blood and apparently faecal matter was found on the portion found in Goulstone Street

    On the piece of apron brought in by Dr. Phillips were there smears of blood as if someone had wiped blood-stained hands upon it?-Yes. There were also some other stains...(Morning Advertiser).
    ..with finger marks of blood upon it, which fits on to the piece left round the body....(Morning Post).
    It looks as if it had had a bloody hand or a bloody knife wiped upon it....(Daily News).
    On the piece of apron brought on there were smears of blood on one side as if a hand or a knife had been wiped on it. It fitted the piece of apron in evidence....(Times).


    It is only after comparing the coverage line-for-line that we can see the press coverage on this portion of testimony was not only accurate but a little more informative.

    The first three replies concern the piece of apron found at the mortuary, the official version and the Times refer to “spots of blood”, while the Morning Advertiser and the Daily News call them “stains of blood”.

    Then in the fifth reply the Morning Advertiser call the Goulston piece, “stained with blood”, but in the sixth reply the Daily Telegraph describe the Goulston piece as “spotted with blood”.

    And finally in the seventh reply the Goulston piece is described variously with “smears of blood” (Times), “marks of blood” (Morning Post), and “smears of blood” & “blood stained” (Morning Advertiser).

    And, not forgetting the words of PC Long who described the Goulston piece as “stained with blood” and one portion or corner was still “wet with blood”.

    Then we have PC Robinson, but he is describing both halves of the apron as a whole, we read in the Times - “A brown paper parcel was produced, from which two pieces of apron were taken and shown to the witness,”
    The apron being produced, torn and discoloured with blood,...(Daily Telegraph).
    much torn and was saturated with blood in several places....(Daily News).
    The bloody apron was here produced, torn and tattered,
    ...(Evening News).
    (dirty white, torn, and cut, and marked with blood)...(Echo).

    It would appear then that we cannot use “spotted” and “smeared” to distinguish between the two pieces of apron.
    Last edited by Wickerman; 08-10-2014, 10:12 AM.
    Regards, Jon S.

  • #2
    The only time that the piece found by Long was ever described as "spotted with blood" was in the DT version and they were wrong.
    They were mistaken.
    It was mis-transcribed.
    It was chopped up by the editor.
    The whole sequence of the interview is out of whack.

    Forget the DT and everything else falls into place. Both pieces had blood on them. The piece on the victim having blood splattered from the activities of the murderer and the piece taken away by the killer having blood evidently more deliberately placed.

    This ain't rocket science...
    Oh... but it is Ripperology!
    I tend to forget sometimes.

    Thus, Jon, you WILL probably get some off-the-wall answers, depending on the poster's pet theory.

    Gone fishin' now...
    Last edited by Hunter; 08-10-2014, 12:13 PM.
    Best Wishes,
    Hunter
    ____________________________________________

    When evidence is not to be had, theories abound. Even the most plausible of them do not carry conviction- London Times Nov. 10.1888

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    • #3
      Insp. Collard was the first to call attention to the piece of apron found in the mortuary.

      “I produce a portion of the apron which Deceased was apparently wearing which had been cut through and was found outside her dress”


      The press sources who got it right in conveying Collards words, were:

      The Times:
      “A portion of the apron produced was found on her, and the other portion, which was picked up in Goulston-street, would also be produced.”

      Evening News:
      “Witness here produced a portion of deceased's apron found on the body after the murder,”

      Echo:
      “The portion of an apron (produced) was what deceased was wearing,...”



      The only one who got it wrong was:

      Daily News:
      “The piece of linen produced, which was found in Gouldstone street, corresponds with a piece which is missing from an apron the deceased was wearing at the time of the discovery of the body.”


      There were others however who did not specifically say which piece he produced, their words are ambiguous...

      Daily Telegraph, Morning Advertiser, and The Standard:
      “A piece of cloth was found in Goulston-street, corresponding with the apron worn by the deceased.”

      Morning Post:
      “...but on it was a portion of an apron corresponding to the piece found in Goulston-street.”
      Regards, Jon S.

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      • #4
        variants

        Hello Jon, Cris. Thanks for the thread Jon.

        I wonder if ALL these terms are not merely stylistic variants? If my translating of St. Jerome's "Biblia Vulgata" has taught me anything, it is that some use variants--needlessly.

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • #5
          Well Lynn, we are dealing with human nature.

          We don't want to entertain the idea that one half of the apron was only spotted but not smeared, yet the other half was only smeared but not spotted, do we?
          That would require some precise 'slicing' by the killer.

          It wasn't just that though, the suggestion was made concerning erroneous press reporting. Rather than debate the pro's and con's, the best way to deal with this is to separate out every line printed by the various media outlets who published that portion of Dr Brown's testimony, and compare them with each other and with the original. That is what I did in post 1.

          There we have it in black & white, although none of the press versions gave complete reports, what they did publish was correct.
          Interesting that none chose to mention faecal matter.
          Though accuracy is determined by what was written, not by what was omitted.
          Regards, Jon S.

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