Evidence of Jack The Ripper's existence

[TomTomKent]

So what is it about the MO of the canonical five that makes you think five different people happened to suffer from a desire to inflict horrendous sexual mutilations in a similar way in a small window of time?

Would it not be reasonable to assume that such mutilations were rare among the murders of Whitechapel in part because it is not easy to make ones self to do? Like the many other suspected Ripper victims, would we not expect copy cat victims to be as nasty as they can but not quite manage to emulate the vulgarity of the full MO?

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Tom.

"Like the many other suspected Ripper victims, would we not expect copy cat victims to be as nasty as they can but not quite manage to emulate the vulgarity of the full MO?"

Bingo. Just as happened with Kate.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Bingo? I think not

So what is it about the MO of the canonical five that makes you think five different people happened to suffer from a desire to inflict horrendous sexual mutilations in a similar way in a small window of time?

Hi Tom. So what are you implying? That the same man committed all five murders?

Would it not be reasonable to assume that such mutilations were rare among the murders of Whitechapel in part because it is not easy to make ones self to do? Like the many other suspected Ripper victims, would we not expect copy cat victims to be as nasty as they can but not quite manage to emulate the vulgarity of the full MO?

Again, is the above implying that the same individual was responsible for the five murders? It's not very clear. The copycat murders suggested by our conspiracy adherents are Eddowes and Kelly, both managed to exceed the vulgarity of Nichols, and Chapman.

Regards

Observer

[TomTomKent]

Hi Tom. So what are you implying? That the same man committed all five murders?

I was not trying to imply anything. I admit I find it more likely the C5 were the work of a single hand based on the probabilities. I can not say for sure all were the same persons work, or that they were the only five victims, but they are the five whose MO appears to form a coherent and plausible pattern.

I was asking what the evidence was that this was not the case, specifically that all five were unrelated. There are various combinations of course, that there was a Ripper but not all C5 victims are his work, or more than one (related or unrelated) Ripper whose work crossed over.

If, as the OP of the thread seems to suggest the murders were individual and unrelated meaning there really was no single Jack, but several excessively violent acts of sexual frenzy by different hands, I would simply like to know what is about the MO that has been interpreted as evidence against a coherent hand.

We could go further. The reason we have always interpreted the series of murders as part of a pattern is because they are so indicative of a sexual serial killer. Are we to assume there were five different people who were at different points on this curve? Have we snagged five cross sections of other patterns, or the entire thread of a single pattern?

[lynn cates]

sex

Hello Tom. What, in particular, was sexual about Liz's killing?

Cheers.
LC

[El White Chap]

Hello Tom.

"Like the many other suspected Ripper victims, would we not expect copy cat victims to be as nasty as they can but not quite manage to emulate the vulgarity of the full MO?"

Bingo. Just as happened with Kate.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

Just for the sake of clarity, it seems you subscribe to Eddowes being a copycat murder of Annie and separate from the others?

[lynn cates]

precision

Hello EWC. Thanks.

OK, if you like, permit me to precise this. I think that someone wished to kill Kate and allow it to be subsumed under the previous ("Leather Apron") killings.

Cheers.
LC

[El White Chap]

Hello EWC. Thanks.

OK, if you like, permit me to precise this. I think that someone wished to kill Kate and allow it to be subsumed under the previous ("Leather Apron") killings.

Cheers.
LC

So...Polly, Annie and possibly Mary were all killed by the same hand in your view?
The others not?

Cheers EWC

[lynn cates]

minority report

Hello EWC. Thanks.

I don't see that "MJK" has anything to do with the other killings. Of course, that view--whilst the minority report--has persisted for 125 years.

Cheers.
LC

[TomTomKent]

Hello Tom. What, in particular, was sexual about Liz's killing?

Cheers.
LC

The apparent sexual pleasure from killing does not require sexual injuries.

What seems odd is its place in the sequence, rather than the lack of genital mutilation. This could be explained by the time available of course, with the full experience being interrupted before culmination of atrocity, if it were by the same hand as the others. But I can also see why somebody may assume this was an early killing if they were not aware of the order of events.

[lynn cates]

hedone

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Out of curiosity, how does one know that ANY of these killings brought sexual pleasure to the perpetrator?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

The term copy cat seems to get thrown around rather loosely as if it were the most natural thing in the world. But we need to keep in mind that we are not talking about copying a particular item of clothing or hairstyle. If we accept the existence of copy cats then we have to assume that there were several people in Whitechapel who had no problem with the idea of slitting another human being's throat and taking out their internal organs and were simply laying dormant until the idea was suggested to them. That seems a bit farfetched to me.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

Copies

Hello CD. Thanks.

Please feel free to suggest an alternative to the word. Frankly, I am not a fan myself.

As I believe in ONE true such case, I'm afraid I don't see your problem.

And the police? Well, why was Phillips sent to Birtley Fell? And what was the standard ripper student take on McKenzie and Coles for many years?

Cheers.
LC

[TomTomKent]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Out of curiosity, how does one know that ANY of these killings brought sexual pleasure to the perpetrator?

Cheers.
LC

It is possible they look exactly like the murders of a sexual serial killer and we're not. But it is a reasonable probability that if Jack were working to a pattern he would reflect the motives and experiences of those with a similar profile. Sexual serial killer is the most likely motive. It best fits my understanding of the evidence. If evidence is revealed that changes this I will happily reconsider.

[lynn cates]

Sexual Serial Killers R Us

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"It is possible they look exactly like the murders of a sexual serial killer and we're not."

Agreed. Of course that's IF they look exactly like them. I think they do not.

Cheers.
LC