The Seaside Home: Could Schwartz or Lawende Have Put the Ripper's Neck in a Noose?

[Scott Nelson]

Two witnesses, a City PC and a fellow-Jew, may have thought differently.

[The Baron]

There is no case against Aaron Kosminsky , never was

And THREE head Police officers may have thought differently


The Baron

[Monty]

Thought and proof differ

[Losmandris]

Is there any conclusive evidence that this identification actually took place? Always sounds like hearsay to me?

[Scott Nelson]

Thought and proof differ

No proof, Neil old mate, but I'd guess there was pretty good circumstantial evidence.

[Monty]

No proof, Neil old mate, but I'd guess there was pretty good circumstantial evidence.

Nothing worth taking to the CPS it seems Scott.

As a barrister, wouldn’t that irk Sir Bob?

[packers stem]

And THREE head Police officers may have thought differently


The Baron

Shame that they allowed top officers , Inspector Moore included , to waste valuable police time sifting through received letters , comparing handwriting etc , when they already had him banged up isn't it ?
Moore's 1896 report went by Swanson
Disappointing to see that he couldn't enlighten us in the marginalia that Moore had been wasting his time.
Not a word, not a hint
Nothing but an incorrect version of the GSG

[Damaso Marte]

Aaron Kosminsky can be placed in Whitechapel during the Autumn of Terror, he was suspected by people working on the case, he has a history of violence towards women, and there is an explanation for why he would have stopped after MJK. These factors alone place Aaron Kosminsky in the upper-most tier of named Ripper suspects, possibly by himself.

Was Kosminsky the Ripper? Probably not, it was probably some guy we've never heard of whose name has never been posted on this forum. But it seems gratuitous to claim that there is "no case" against Kosminsky or scoff at speculation that he may be the Seaside Home suspect when there's more of a case against him than against any other individual whose name we know.

[Scott Nelson]

Ironically, Moore seems to support Swanson's 1895 recollection of the crimes being the work of a man who was (by then) dead - Pall Mall Gazette, May 7, 1895. Since this recollection was a year after the Macnaghten Memorandum (that mentioned Kosminski) was written, it seems likely that Swanson was referring to Kosminski.

There having been no hard proof of the Ripper's identity, the police were compelled to continue investigating, suspicious characters, received letters, etc., even though they knew it was largely a fruitless effort.

[Scott Nelson]

Nothing worth taking to the CPS it seems Scott.

As a barrister, wouldn’t that irk Sir Bob?

Yes, it would have Monty. He tells us as much. Somehow the suspect's family was able to throw a wrench into the works. Sir Bob would have been better off as a police commissioner in France.

[Abby Normal]

Aaron Kosminsky can be placed in Whitechapel during the Autumn of Terror, he was suspected by people working on the case, he has a history of violence towards women, and there is an explanation for why he would have stopped after MJK. These factors alone place Aaron Kosminsky in the upper-most tier of named Ripper suspects, possibly by himself.

Was Kosminsky the Ripper? Probably not, it was probably some guy we've never heard of whose name has never been posted on this forum. But it seems gratuitous to claim that there is "no case" against Kosminsky or scoff at speculation that he may be the Seaside Home suspect when there's more of a case against him than against any other individual whose name we know.

yup. hes also in the frame for mckenzies murder, who was probably a ripper victim. and if she was that eliminates alot of other ripper suspects.

[John Wheat]

yup. hes also in the frame for mckenzies murder, who was probably a ripper victim. and if she was that eliminates alot of other ripper suspects.

McKenzie probably was not a Ripper victim though. The police at the time didn't believe she was a Ripper victim. Those same police who allegedly thought Kosminski was the Ripper. You can't have it both ways Abby.

Cheers John

[John Wheat]

Is there any conclusive evidence that this identification actually took place? Always sounds like hearsay to me?

No there is no proof whatsoever. It's all hearsay.

[Elamarna]

No there is no proof whatsoever. It's all hearsay.

I disagree John, hearsay would be Swanson or Abberline saying they had been told there was an Identification.
There do not say that, they very clearly say there was an identification, or which they were personally aware.
I suppose it's down to ones definition of hearsay.

Steve

[rjpalmer]

Ironically, Moore seems to support Swanson's 1895 recollection of the crimes being the work of a man who was (by then) dead - Pall Mall Gazette, May 7, 1895. Since this recollection was a year after the Macnaghten Memorandum (that mentioned Kosminski) was written, it seems likely that Swanson was referring to Kosminski.

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Since Aaron Kosminski wasn’t dead in 1895, why would this be a ‘likely’ reference to him?

It sounds more like a reference to MJ Druitt.