If say for instance...

[andy1867]

You took Liz Stride out of the Canonical 5 and put Martha Tabram in...how do you think this would affect the suspects...
I believe I heard Druitt would be hard to fit in...anyone else?

[Monty]

Why?

Monty

[andy1867]

Why?

Monty

Because a lot of people think Tabram a ripper victim , whereas a lot of people think Stride isn't
what?


or maybe how?

[RavenDarkendale]

Andy, that's one of the ways I feel it went down. Martha Tabram in, Eliabeth Stride out. Does it eliminate Druitt? Maybe. Maybe not. A good many feel he is already eliminated. If you believe the murders stopped with Mark Kelly, then Druitt might be a suspect. If you add murders AFTER Mary Kelly, then Druitt was already dead.

For myself, the Miller's Court Murder was too violently personal to fit into the other murders. I don't really buy the "he was indoors so he had more time" theory. With all the damage to Catherine Eddows he proved he cold do this quickly and with ruthless efficiency on the street in the dark. Why would such a man need a lot more time indoors with light? Especially peeling her lower body in just three large flaps?

[Fisherman]

For myself, the Miller's Court Murder was too violently personal to fit into the other murders. I don't really buy the "he was indoors so he had more time" theory. With all the damage to Catherine Eddows he proved he cold do this quickly and with ruthless efficiency on the street in the dark. Why would such a man need a lot more time indoors with light? Especially peeling her lower body in just three large flaps?

Who says he "needed" the time and the light? But once he had time and light on his hands, why would he not use it?
Also, the Eddowes slaying is very "personal" in it´s character too, given the fact that he destroyed her face.

So did the same killer slay Eddowes and Kelly, but not the others?

The best,
Fisherman

[Damaso Marte]

If you make any modifications to the C5 at all, Maybrick is out and the diary is certainly a fraud.

My preferred suspect of "generic lower class Whitechapel resident" has no particular alibi for the night of Tabram's death, however.

[Trevor Marriott]

Who says he "needed" the time and the light? But once he had time and light on his hands, why would he not use it?
Also, the Eddowes slaying is very "personal" in it´s character too, given the fact that he destroyed her face.

So did the same killer slay Eddowes and Kelly, but not the others?

The best,
Fisherman

Eddowes facial wounds have been explained on previous threads which suggest that the wounds were not specifically carried out by the killer but wounds inflicted in the course of the killer trying to cut her throat and her trying to prevent this my moving her head about frantically.

[Fisherman]

Eddowes facial wounds have been explained on previous threads which suggest that the wounds were not specifically carried out by the killer but wounds inflicted in the course of the killer trying to cut her throat and her trying to prevent this my moving her head about frantically.

Getting her eyelids nicked in the process ...? And the nose sliced off?

The best,
Fisherman

[RavenDarkendale]

Fisherman

But Eddowes was still recognizable enough. He took a slash at her face, and cut the tip of the nose off. The body in Miller's Court was barely recognizable as human after all the carnage.

The killer of the majority of the Whitechapel victims worked outdoors. To go inside would be a major change of MO, personal fury aside...

God Bless

Darkendale

[Fisherman]

Fisherman

But Eddowes was still recognizable enough. He took a slash at her face, and cut the tip of the nose off.

Darkendale

Here´s the relevant part from the post-mortem:

"The face was very much mutilated. There was a cut about a quarter of an inch through the lower left eyelid, dividing the structures completely through. The upper eyelid on that side, there was a scratch through the skin on the left upper eyelid, near to the angle of the nose. The right eyelid was cut through to about half an inch.

There was a deep cut over the bridge of the nose, extending from the left border of the nasal bone down near the angle of the jaw on the right side of the cheek. This cut went into the bone and divided all the structures of the cheek except the mucous membrane of the mouth.

The tip of the nose was quite detached by an oblique cut from the bottom of the nasal bone to where the wings of the nose join on to the face. A cut from this divided the upper lip and extended through the substance of the gum over the right upper lateral incisor tooth.

About half an inch from the top of the nose was another oblique cut. There was a cut on the right angle of the mouth as if the cut of a point of a knife. The cut extended an inch and a half, parallel with the lower lip.

There was on each side of cheek a cut which peeled up the skin, forming a triangular flap about an inch and a half. On the left cheek there were two abrasions of the epithelium under the left ear."

We may need to agree that he did more than "took a slash at her face", Raven. And in the end, it matters little - what made me bring Eddowes up was the statement that Kelly was the only one displaying wounds that may have been of a personal character. Cutting up a persons´ face is generally regarded as potentially personal, and BOTH women had their faces cut up. Kelly worse so, yes - but we don´t know how much time the killer was offered with Eddowes, do we?

In conclusion, anybody who says that Kelly was personal for having her face cut, must also accept the same verdict on account of Eddowes - and for the exact same reason.

All the best,
Fisherman

[The Good Michael]

In conclusion, anybody who says that Kelly was personal for having her face cut, must also accept the same verdict on account of Eddowes - and for the exact same reason.

Must accept? Not if it doesn't fit in with their cunning suspect portraits. Don't be naive.

Mike

[Sally]

I agree with Fish.

This can't continue.

[Fisherman]

Must accept? Not if it doesn't fit in with their cunning suspect portraits. Don't be naive.

Mike

You got me there, admittedly.

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

I agree with Fish.

This can't continue.

Twice in a weeks´ time...? How big was that chance???

The best,
Fisherman

[Lechmere]

Damaso
Please allow me to point you in the direction of a generic lower class local... even at the risk of Ripperology imploding.

Ravenetc
Who's to say that Kelly's killer was expecting to be taken in doors?