A Re-read of the JtR Literature

[Stewart P Evans]

They say...

They say I am a bully now...

[Phil Carter]

....I should like to know what 'strongly expressed scorn' I am guilty of.

Hello Stewart,

Apparently...The same scorn that the Casebook reviewers gave the McCormick books...?

Such is life!


Phil

[curious4]

Bullying

Hello Phil, Stewart,

I was speaking generally - but as my old mum used to say:"If the cap fits!"

I will not be told what books I may, or may not read. I will make my own mind up about what is good, bad or indifferent, having read enough to make an informed decision all by myself, thank you. The Casebook Reviewers are not God, sorry. No doubt it is as you say, but without any bad books for comparison, how are newcomers to decide what is worth keeping from the better ones?

I have seen quite a few instances of bullying on the site, in particular one completely new poster who had scorn heaped on his/her head and who has, to my knowledge never posted again. There are not so many active members that we can afford to drive away new ones. I suggest that, prefacing one's criticism with a "in my opinion" can take the sting out of most of it.

When someone puts time, effort and skill into posting something simply for the benefit of others, he does not deserve scorn, and particularly not before he has finished saying all he meant to say. A sad loss to all of us who are trying to make sense of the JTR riddle.

And yes, I believe Phil H was bullied into retiring. This is my opinion.

C4

[Phil Carter]

Hello C4,

I don't wear caps. Especially not for the reason so that those who are of that bent, cannot judge me in them....
(Speaking generally, of course)


Phil

[curious4]

Caps

Hello Phil,

A wise decision, I would say.

Cheers,
C4

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

A wise decision, I would say.

Cheers,
C4

Hello C4,

Comes with age.


Phil

[caz]

The one positive footnote is that the fakers of the 'Diary' inserted a bit that was McCormick's invention, thus inadvertently dooming their not-so-clever hustle among serious researchers.

I take it this is a reference to the diary author including a funny little counting rhyme or two. Contrary to what Jonathan appears to think, McCormick cannot possibly be credited with the invention of counting rhymes, and there is no evidence that the diary author needed any help from McCormick's body of work to compose a single line.

Mike Barrett's most famous hoax was to pretend he wrote the diary, and sadly some people continue to fall for it, hook, line and sinker. The late Melvin Harris wasn't one of them, however. He had no doubt that Mike was bluffing and did not write the thing. Does anyone think that made Melvin gullible?

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

The involvement of using something from a McCormick book in the Diary tells me all I needed to know about that little piece of prose too.

Amazing how this myth has managed to catch on and gets trotted out as a 'fact' - a bit like the way people might once have been taken in by McCormick's ripper 'facts'.

Can anyone please demonstrate - using direct quotes from the diary - why its author must have used McCormick as a source? There's a huge bonus for anyone who can do this because they would finally prove beyond all doubt the earliest date that the diary could have been composed.

I won't be holding my breath.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Feldman a reliable source now?

Sorry, I missed your request:

http://www.casebook.org/dissertation...ary/mb-mc.html

Blimey, is that the evidence?

Here is what dear old Melvin wrote:

"It was this knowledge that allowed me to tell Feldman that the Diary was a hoax EVEN BEFORE I SAW IT. On the 13th of May, 1993, at our first and only meeting, he told me that the Diary contained important proofs in its texts. He especially delighted over what he described as the first drafts of the 'Eight little whores' poem. When I heard that, I stated that if his claim was true then that alone proved the Diary to be bogus. He agreed that IF the poem was bogus then the Diary was too, but he refused to accept that any Dutton quotes were faked."

So people have been meekly accepting what Paul Feldman thought he had found in the diary???

Absolutely incredible.

The only instance I can recall where Feldy is considered any kind of authority on the diary text and its author's influences. If Feldy claimed it, it must be true. Good grief, why can't people just read the thing and work out for themselves whether Feldy was once again away with the fairies?

Love,

Caz
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[Phil Carter]

Amazing how this myth has managed to catch on and gets trotted out as a 'fact' - a bit like the way people might once have been taken in by McCormick's ripper 'facts'.

Can anyone please demonstrate - using direct quotes from the diary - why its author must have used McCormick as a source? There's a huge bonus for anyone who can do this because they would finally prove beyond all doubt the earliest date that the diary could have been composed.

I won't be holding my breath.

Love,

Caz
X

Hello Caroline,

I made the mistake of not putting a "wink" after the line. Herewith demonstrated ;-)
I hadn't noticed I didn't before you pointed out the line now, some days later. Thank you.
Glad I didn't bring in the name Jeremy Beadle ;-) (that's another wink).. lol

Hope you are well. :-) That's a smile..not a wink...


Phil

[Stewart P Evans]

Bullied?

Hello ...., Stewart,
I was speaking generally - but as my old mum used to say:"If the cap fits!"
I will not be told what books I may, or may not read. I will make my own mind up about what is good, bad or indifferent, having read enough to make an informed decision all by myself, thank you. The Casebook Reviewers are not God, sorry. No doubt it is as you say, but without any bad books for comparison, how are newcomers to decide what is worth keeping from the better ones?
I have seen quite a few instances of bullying on the site, in particular one completely new poster who had scorn heaped on his/her head and who has, to my knowledge never posted again. There are not so many active members that we can afford to drive away new ones. I suggest that, prefacing one's criticism with a "in my opinion" can take the sting out of most of it.
When someone puts time, effort and skill into posting something simply for the benefit of others, he does not deserve scorn, and particularly not before he has finished saying all he meant to say. A sad loss to all of us who are trying to make sense of the JTR riddle.
And yes, I believe Phil H was bullied into retiring. This is my opinion.
C4

Who has told you which books to read?

Who bullied Phil H? It's your opinion he was, fair enough, but it would be nice to know how you think he was bullied.

[caz]

Hello Caroline,

I made the mistake of not putting a "wink" after the line. Herewith demonstrated ;-)
I hadn't noticed I didn't before you pointed out the line now, some days later. Thank you.
Glad I didn't bring in the name Jeremy Beadle ;-) (that's another wink).. lol

Hope you are well. :-) That's a smile..not a wink...


Phil

Fair enough, Phil, but will you be repeating this silly McCormick myth in the future - with or without a wink - now you know Feldy of all people originated it?

Love,

Caz
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PS Go Chelsea!

[Phil Carter]

Fair enough, Phil, but will you be repeating this silly McCormick myth in the future - with or without a wink - now you know Feldy of all people originated it?

Love,

Caz
X

PS Go Chelsea!

Hello Caroline,

That's not MARTY Feldman.... ;-) ;-) wink wink....

(I have that memory from years ago in a conversation we had...) haha!


Phil

PS. The special one hath returned, as the happy one. And now we are all happy ones!

[caz]

Sad end to an interesting thread in my opinion.
I suppose a lot of us were brought into the question of "Who was Jack the Ripper" by lies and distortions in the first place, I'm not condoning it , but I understand how it happens.
First your interest is piqued, by the extraordinary, maybe by books that carry more fiction than fact, or by films, that do the same.
I remember the old Barlow and Watt documentary, The Michael Caine film, full of errors to the "Expert" Ripperologist...full of interest to the rest of us, So you read on, you mature, you filter fact from fiction..(thats alliteration that is).
Its like telling your kids Father Christmas exists...all lies...but you sort it sooner or later.
Folk like me rely on folk like Stewart, Phil and the rest on here to finish our education on the subject, I don't post much, because I know little, and some do not have the time or finances to follow the subject as we would like, and there is sometimes a guilty feeling of hanging onto the coattails of the experts, but they choose to post, its meant to be read, so you take what you can get.
This website, as well as being extremely informative, can be very intimidating, luckily I'm of the persuasion that I hardly give a flyer what folk who do not know me, think about me, its the internet and leaves hardly any bruises.
Some of the Egos on here are quite frankly laughable, they seem to treat the subject as their own private property and hackles are raised as they are gainsaid, or questioned...its not your subject, you did all the research and such, which we all appreciate, simply because you wanted to, you share it because you want to, but the subject is still an open question to all, its British history, that belongs to ALL of us...anyroad up rant over...see you in a year or so
Andy

Very well put, Andy!

Nobody has to research this subject, or share their knowledge or opinions on the message boards, if it all gets too much for them. Mostly people do what they want to do and share what they want to share.

Luckily we all have a voice here as long as we can manage to abide by our host's rules. Long may that continue.

Love,

Caz
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[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Caz
That was a big pretend going and signing a legal affadavit to that effect.

If we accept that Barrett didn't write the diary then two questions

1. Who did ?

2. Who was all the monies going to, from all that the press and media were
throwing at Barrett