GSG Conclusion

[Aethelwulf]

There a bit like you posts then !

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You mean 'they're a bit like your posts then'.

Nothing kills a cutting remark like sh*t grammar Trev.

[Trevor Marriott]

You mean 'they're a bit like your posts then'.

Nothing kills a cutting remark like sh*t grammar Trev.

on a par with yout posts then

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[Aethelwulf]

on a par with yout posts then

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Golf as well I see.

Why don't you confine this particular line of utter nonsense to a more appropriate place:

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/victims/catherine-eddowes/752721-kate-s-apron

[Iconoclast]

Afternoon All,

I do wonder if after the killer had subdued and cut Eddowes's throat he immediately cut/tore off that piece of cloth and laid it to one side, before it could get soaked in blood by the subsequent mutilations. He could then use it afterwards if needed for a swift clean-up. Alternatively, he may have wanted something provably from this victim, either to indicate a false direction of travel or to place a false clue ...

Hi Caz,

You know me. You know what I'm going to say. I'm going to say it anyway.

I would strongly suggest that this is exactly what Jack did - and I'd go further in suggesting that he knew Goulston Street, knew the entrances to Wentworth Dwellings, chose the east side entrance in advance, intentionally took the apron as a pointer to the graffito he had practiced many times and which he wrote with tailor's chalk (ordinary chalk being far too think for those small bricks). I suggest that he returned to his bolthole (as others have suggested), cleaned-up, changed, left his knife, then went out again with the apron secured about him. If he was smart, he'd have left the apron somewhere in the shadows of Goulston Street before he wrote his graffito (which he could blame on his anger with Jewish people if he was caught doing so). Once he was convinced that he hadn't been seen, he'd have retrieved the apron, dropped it at the foot of the entrance, and kept walking calmly back to his bolthole.

Why did he choose the east entrance rather than the slightly nearer west entrance? Presumably to watch what happened from the safety of his room in Middlesex Street.

Ike

[Herlock Sholmes]

and why would he do that there is no evidence of him doing that on any of the other murders

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Again you’re claiming to know how a serial killer would think. Maybe for the other murders he’d brought a piece of cloth with him but this time he’d forgotten it so he needed to improvise.

[Abby Normal]

Where does it say it is accepted, there is nothing to show that the two pieces made up a full apron or were ever matched to make up a full apron

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what are you talking about-they matched the apron piece from goulston street to the one she was wearing lol

[Aethelwulf]

what are you talking about-they matched the apron piece from goulston street to the one she was wearing lol

who knows. as theories go, this one is nuttier than a squirrel in a heavily laden oak tree stocking up for the winter

[Trevor Marriott]

Again you’re claiming to know how a serial killer would think. Maybe for the other murders he’d brought a piece of cloth with him but this time he’d forgotten it so he needed to improvise.

and maybe one day a man will walk on the sun

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[Herlock Sholmes]

and maybe one day a man will walk on the sun

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So you’ve now hit the stage where you’re even prepared to state that a man couldn’t possibly forget something. That’s weak even for you Trevor.

[Herlock Sholmes]

who knows. as theories go, this one is nuttier than a squirrel in a heavily laden oak tree stocking up for the winter

[GBinOz]

Where does it say it is accepted, there is nothing to show that the two pieces made up a full apron or were ever matched to make up a full apron

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Hi Trevor,

You might have missed this:

Daily News 5 Oct 1888 - Inquest - Dr Brown:
My attention was called to the apron which the woman was wearing. It was a portion of an apron cut, with the string attached to it (produced). The blood stains on it are recent. Dr. Phillips brought in a piece of apron found in Gouldstone street, which fits what is missing in the one found on the body.

Cheers, George

[Joshua Rogan]

Neither of the pieces of apron were described as having cuts, or in my opinion sufficent stains of blood consistent with the frenzied attack on her abdomen in fact the mortuary piece did not have any blood stains on it at all.

Umm...
See George's post above

[GBinOz]

Afternoon All,

He must have had a very good reason not to dump it right there at the scene if he used it to wipe the worst of the muck off his hands.

I suspect most men would have been aware by 1888 that bandaging an open wound with a filthy, stinking piece of material like this was asking for it to go septic and do the hangman's job but more swiftly. This killer was back in business on 9th November.

Love,

Caz
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Stopping the bleeding of a wound would seem to be a very good reason.

Long testified that one corner of the apron was wet with blood and Brown said there were stains consistent with wiping hands/knife. So with his hands in the body cavity he cuts a finger. The wound is already contaminated. He wipes the excess off the finger and uses the corner of the apron to bind the wound (the wet) and hold the apron so that he is then able to also wipe his hands/knife (the stains) on the remaining surface.

If the wound did turn septic and he died, we then have a reason why the serial killings stopped, and MJK was the victim of someone else. A search of hospital records, if they still existed, might be very revealing?

Cheers, George

[GBinOz]

Again you’re claiming to know how a serial killer would think. Maybe for the other murders he’d brought a piece of cloth with him but this time he’d forgotten it so he needed to improvise.

Hi Herlock,

Or maybe he wasn't forgetful, but he used the cloth he bought with him to wipe his hands/knife in Church Passage and he discarded it after that?

Cheers, George

[FISHY1118]

Stopping the bleeding of a wound would seem to be a very good reason.

Long testified that one corner of the apron was wet with blood and Brown said there were stains consistent with wiping hands/knife. So with his hands in the body cavity he cuts a finger. The wound is already contaminated. He wipes the excess off the finger and uses the corner of the apron to bind the wound (the wet) and hold the apron so that he is then able to also wipe his hands/knife (the stains) on the remaining surface.

If the wound did turn septic and he died, we then have a reason why the serial killings stopped, and MJK was the victim of someone else. A search of hospital records, if they still existed, might be very revealing?

Cheers, George

Thats a big call Georgyboy , but i think its would be a will Goose chase .lol