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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostAt the same time and in order to disprove the suggestion that the organs were taken away in the apron piece a uterus was removed from a live donor and wrapped in a piece of material and left for 10 mins and then photographed the result show a large volume of blood form the organ on the material which is not consistent with how the apron piece was described.
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Eddowes would not have been a 'live donor' though, would she? She'd have been dead when the organs were removed, so the amount of blood would have been a lot less than from your living donor.
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Caz
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Originally posted by caz View Post
Hi Trev,
Eddowes would not have been a 'live donor' though, would she? She'd have been dead when the organs were removed, so the amount of blood would have been a lot less than from your living donor.
Love,
Caz
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The reason behind the removal of the graffiti was apparently the fear it would spark unrest, regardless of whether it was written by the killer or not. This initial fear is somewhat shot down by the wide reporting of the graffiti and then there being no subsequent riot. A possibly vital piece of evidence lost for nothing.
But there is a suggestion that it was old graffiti that happened to be there so nothing to do with the murder anyway. However, if it was old graffiti and had been there a while it seems strange that no-one apparently came forward to say, "Oh that? No, that had been there all week." It was so widely reported and had such distinct wording that surely someone would have gone to either the police or the press to say it had actually been there some time before the murder so not connected to the apron piece. But neither apparently occur.
This then makes it more likely that the graffiti was at least new when spotted by PC Long. But again, whether the killer wrote it is another matter.
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Originally posted by Curious Cat View PostThe reason behind the removal of the graffiti was apparently the fear it would spark unrest, regardless of whether it was written by the killer or not. This initial fear is somewhat shot down by the wide reporting of the graffiti and then there being no subsequent riot. A possibly vital piece of evidence lost for nothing.
But there is a suggestion that it was old graffiti that happened to be there so nothing to do with the murder anyway. However, if it was old graffiti and had been there a while it seems strange that no-one apparently came forward to say, "Oh that? No, that had been there all week." It was so widely reported and had such distinct wording that surely someone would have gone to either the police or the press to say it had actually been there some time before the murder so not connected to the apron piece. But neither apparently occur.
This then makes it more likely that the graffiti was at least new when spotted by PC Long. But again, whether the killer wrote it is another matter.'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman
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Originally posted by Curious Cat View PostThe reason behind the removal of the graffiti was apparently the fear it would spark unrest, regardless of whether it was written by the killer or not. This initial fear is somewhat shot down by the wide reporting of the graffiti and then there being no subsequent riot. A possibly vital piece of evidence lost for nothing.
But there is a suggestion that it was old graffiti that happened to be there so nothing to do with the murder anyway. However, if it was old graffiti and had been there a while it seems strange that no-one apparently came forward to say, "Oh that? No, that had been there all week." It was so widely reported and had such distinct wording that surely someone would have gone to either the police or the press to say it had actually been there some time before the murder so not connected to the apron piece. But neither apparently occur.
This then makes it more likely that the graffiti was at least new when spotted by PC Long. But again, whether the killer wrote it is another matter.
totally agree. and if had been there any length of time and in daylight, one of the residents of the mostly jewish building would have wiped it off. that graffiti never saw the light of day."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post... if had been there any length of time and in daylight, one of the residents of the mostly jewish building would have wiped it off. that graffiti never saw the light of day.
I'm absolutely serious: why leave the apron-piece (which could easily have been dumped unfindably in the deep recesses next to the doorway); and why leave an impenetrable chalk message...?
Why? What's it all for??
I don't get it. After all these years ... I still don't get it...
M.(Image of Charles Allen Lechmere is by artist Ashton Guilbeaux. Used by permission. Original art-work for sale.)
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Originally posted by Curious Cat View PostThe reason behind the removal of the graffiti was apparently the fear it would spark unrest, regardless of whether it was written by the killer or not. This initial fear is somewhat shot down by the wide reporting of the graffiti and then there being no subsequent riot. A possibly vital piece of evidence lost for nothing.
But there is a suggestion that it was old graffiti that happened to be there so nothing to do with the murder anyway. However, if it was old graffiti and had been there a while it seems strange that no-one apparently came forward to say, "Oh that? No, that had been there all week." It was so widely reported and had such distinct wording that surely someone would have gone to either the police or the press to say it had actually been there some time before the murder so not connected to the apron piece. But neither apparently occur.
This then makes it more likely that the graffiti was at least new when spotted by PC Long. But again, whether the killer wrote it is another matter.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing
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Originally posted by DJA View PostHe was drawing the police away from his bolt hole at 6 Mitre Street.
Lechmere, on the other hand, was dropping it just before he made that right turn into Wentworth Street and the most direct route home...
After all, why carry it further and therefore drop it on a street that was also so useful as one of the shortest routes to and from his work...?
M.(Image of Charles Allen Lechmere is by artist Ashton Guilbeaux. Used by permission. Original art-work for sale.)
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And, just for fun, if we go with a suspect at 30 Cumming Street, which could be suggested from some discussions in this tread here (albeit there are other interpretations), then one might envision the following route being taken which is from Mitre Square basically east to Commercial, then north, out of the Spitalfields area but passing by both Hanbury and Dorset Street, and also consistent with someone who headed west from Berner Street but ends up in Mitre Square. Someone coming from that area would also have fled west from Buck's Row if scared off by the approaching carmen, and could have easily ended up in that area by heading along Hanbury rather than continuing down Commercial Street. Also, following more or less along that direction (from Cumming Street), down Commercial Street one could end up heading towards Berner Street by going along Commercial Road.
Do I think that's the solution? No, but one can make things fit if they want to. While one would generally expect the spatial information to fit the offender, one has to remember that spatial information will also fit many innocent people too. If we keep in mind that things like movement directions, and locations, are spatial information, it is not evidence per se. It is information to be considered, but it is not evidence against someone because it will also fit nonguilty people too. Moreover, there are times when the actual offender and the spatial information do not appear to correspond all that well, so a suspect who doesn't fit the spatial information should not on that basis be set aside entirely. It is useful to guide a search for evidence, but it is not definitive, and once evidence is found pointing to an actual suspect, those leads should be followed in preference.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
Indeed. But -- if I may shyly ask -- what's it for...?
I'm absolutely serious: why leave the apron-piece (which could easily have been dumped unfindably in the deep recesses next to the doorway); and why leave an impenetrable chalk message...?
Why? What's it all for??
I don't get it. After all these years ... I still don't get it...
M.
Just a thought ...
Ike
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
Indeed. But -- if I may shyly ask -- what's it for...?
I'm absolutely serious: why leave the apron-piece (which could easily have been dumped unfindably in the deep recesses next to the doorway); and why leave an impenetrable chalk message...?
Why? What's it all for??
I don't get it. After all these years ... I still don't get it...
M.
IMHO the ripper left the apron to "sign" the graffiti, to connect the two as it were. I have little doubt the ripper wrote it and left the apron intentionally.
why? I think he was pissed off he was interupted by so many pesky jews that night, knew he had been seen by them and was giving a little pay back while also to confuse the police.
worked like a charm."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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