The "Invisible Man" effect.

[RavenDarkendale]

Abby, Don, I concede that point. I guess I was just caught up in the fact that this is the first pope who has chosen the name Francis. chuckle

I doubt that Pope Francis would do anything so petty, but some rulers of countries have declared themselves (Name) the first as an indication that they expected their linage to continue. As I say, probably doesn't apply to the Pope.

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Raven, Don, Abby. Can't understand why a Jesuit would choose Francis rather than Ignatius? Makes no sense.

Cheers.
LC

Maybe he wanted to associate himself with a Healer rather than a Soldier Lynn.

Whatever the reason, even as a lapsed RC myself,... I wish him well. Anyone who spurns limos and fancy dinners is sure to raise eyebrows in Rome.

Cheers Lynn

[Bridewell]

How about Christ Church in Whitechapel? Isn't it feasible that a priest from there might be seen roaming through the area at all times to administer last rites, visit the sick, proselytize among the poor and "unfortunates", do you think?

JtR as fanatical clergyman. Might just work!

Isn't Christ Church Church of England? I only aske because 'last rites' is a Roman Catholic practise.

[Supe]

Lynn,

Hello Raven, Don, Abby. Can't understand why a Jesuit would choose Francis rather than Ignatius? Makes no sense.

Because he's a frank sort of guy.

Don.

[Errata]

Maybe he is good with small animals?

[lynn cates]

Loyola

Hello Raven, Don, Abby. Can't understand why a Jesuit would choose Francis rather than Ignatius? Makes no sense.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Raven,

the new Pope, Francis the First

A pedantic point I will concede, but still worth noting: the new pope is simply Pope Francis and will remain so until another pope chooses the name Francis. If that happens, the original Francis becomes Francis I and the newer one Francis II.

Don.

And of course would then make St Francis, Francis 0

[Supe]

Raven,

the new Pope, Francis the First

A pedantic point I will concede, but still worth noting: the new pope is simply Pope Francis and will remain so until another pope chooses the name Francis. If that happens, the original Francis becomes Francis I and the newer one Francis II.

Don.

[Errata]

Protestant churches normally do not have a confessional. And with the scandals that the new Pope, Francis the First is determined to stamp out, being Roman Catholic doesn't rule out the "hitting on women in the congregation."

It is just a thing that is possible. When you say it wouldn't have lasted long, think of how long the murders actually took place. The C5 were all within a few months of 1888. Just saying.

The case for a priest has as good a chance as other "invisible" or "beyond suspicion" jobs.

I concede your point. The only experience I ever had with confession was taking my grandmother, who went thee times a week and confessed to sins such as telling little white lies, taking the lord's name in vain, engaging in frivolous activities such as shopping and getting her hair done. After a few hours of that I would have fallen asleep.

[RavenDarkendale]

Protestant churches normally do not have a confessional. And with the scandals that the new Pope, Francis the First is determined to stamp out, being Roman Catholic doesn't rule out the "hitting on women in the congregation."

It is just a thing that is possible. When you say it wouldn't have lasted long, think of how long the murders actually took place. The C5 were all within a few months of 1888. Just saying.

The case for a priest has as good a chance as other "invisible" or "beyond suspicion" jobs.

[RivkahChaya]

I have no trouble visualizing Bundy in a confessional.

l'm sure a lot of the same thrill he got from listening to other people's problems on the suicide hotline would transfer to the confessional, only even more so, because in spite of the supposed anonymity, he'd probably know people's voices. He'd get to look at them on Sundays, and know he knew their secrets. He'd probably be, to all appearances a good priest/minister, whatever, up to a point, because he'd be prompt, and an effective manager, and compose intelligent sermons.

It wouldn't last, though, because he'd be too demanding and harsh on staff, and if he were a Protestant, he'd start hitting on single women in the congregation.

[RavenDarkendale]

I have no trouble visualizing Bundy in a confessional. The highly personal nature of a confession would probably thrill the average serial killer with sexual overtures. Listening to the "upstanding gentlemen" detailing their nights of debauchery in the confessional, finding out who was screwing who, etc. sounds like audio pornography. Former 25 year serving Priest Charles Chiniquy writes in his exposé The Priest, the Woman, and the Confessional, gives this very opinion of what he calls "The Abominations of Auricular Confession" in which he states that priests of his time, (he was defended against charges brought by his rival priests by Abraham Lincoln) were encouraged to seek extreme detail, and were told if it caused them to "abuse themselves" it was no sin.

50 Years in the Church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy full text here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/chiniquy/

And The Priest, The Woman, and the Confessional by Charles Chiniquy full text here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/chiniq..._contents.html

Chiniquy was a priest from 1833 to 1858, finally serving as a Presbyterian pastor. If Chiniquy's books are false, why couldn't the Catholic Church have it banned, instead of Chiniquy being sometimes called Canada's greatest writer and the books still in print? And if true, it says a lot towards why a serial murderer might find the job thrilling. and that he even might feel he was doing God's work by killing prostitutes.

Just an opinion

[Cogidubnus]

Just picking up on an earlier point made in this thread, that I'd never thought about before, should we be looking at the people who discovered various of the victims as the potential culprit

Hi Edward

Glad to see that you're at least considering other perpetrators for the post-Nicholls killings...so how do you feel, for example, about McCarthy via his employee Bowyer, for the MJK killing?

All the best

Dave

[Lechmere]

PC Neil?

[Abby Normal]

Just picking up on an earlier point made in this thread, that I'd never thought about before, should we be looking at the people who discovered various of the victims as the potential culprit.
Also what about researching to see if anyone involved in the case had a policeman as a close relative that could have affected their thinking in some way? A step father maybe? That sort of thing.

That's a great idea. I don't think that possibility has been looked into yet. Who was the guy who found Nichols ? Lechfield or something?