What Does It Mean to "Know" Someone?

[DJA]

Thanks for posting that, DJA. In my memory she was quite a bit older. You may be right.

As mentioned previously,she was baptized at The Shoreditch Church, St Leonards.

Same place she finished up. Their mortuary.

Henry Sutton was their Vestry Board medical officer from 1868 until his death,so Mary Ann Kelly was 8 to 10 years old at that time.
That tallies with RLS's novella that returned to London as a stage play shortly before Nichols murder near the London Hospital.
Mary Kelly was the girl trampled.

Hopefully people here will start to understand why Jack/Sutton disfigured her face.


He was actually born in 1835.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

What exactly is the question regarding Stride's coins? Do we know for a fact that she had them? And are you asking for known facts or just seeking speculation?

c.d.

It can hardly be a mystery as to why someone might be curious about Stride having no money on her, after her death.
It relates to what she were doing that evening; prostituting - and therefore making money, socialising - and therefore likely spending, or both.
From there we can look at why she might have ended up in Dutfield's Yard.

Elizabeth Tanner said Long Liz had not paid for her bed for the night.
Catherine Lane said:

I know deceased had 6d. when she left, as she showed me the money, but I cannot say that she had any money besides that. Deceased did not tell me she was coming back. I do not think she had been drinking.

Three labourers witnessed Stride leave the Bricklayers Arms, at about 11pm, with a man who had been kissing her.
PC Smith witnessed Stride with a man at about 12:35, and said both appeared to be sober.
Another important point is that is was stated by people like Wess that Berner St was not known as a location for prostitutes.

So we could look at this in terms of two scenarios:

Stride was prostituting that night. So:

1. Where is the money?
2. Why is she soliciting where prostitutes are rarely if ever seen?
3. Why is Jack looking for his next victim in such a place?

Stride was socialising that night. So:

1. Why does she end up in Dutfield's Yard?
2. Where had she been expecting to sleep that night, with no money on her?

Before answering, mind this:

PC Smith: I did not overhear any conversation. They both appeared to be sober. The man was about 28 years of age, and was respectably dressed. I noticed the woman had some flowers in her dress.

[c.d.]

Hello Not Blamed for Nothing,

I wasn't downplaying the importance of the coin question, I simply wasn't sure exactly what you were asking.

To me, whether or not Stride was soliciting is a moot point. Even if she was not we have no way of knowing her response if approached by Jack and offered money for her services.

As to location, I have always thought of it as taxis at the airport. Yes, there are plenty of customers in that location but there are also plenty of other cabs trying to get those customers as well.

I would guess that the standard practice was money up front. So she had Jack's money mixed with hers if she had any. If he took it back after he killed her he would have taken it all. This could indicate that he was lower class and in need of money but it could simply mean that he'd be damned if some filthy whore was going to keep anything of his. Either way he is taking the money.

These are simply possible explanations.

c.d.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Hello Not Blamed for Nothing,

I wasn't downplaying the importance of the coin question, I simply wasn't sure exactly what you were asking.

It was an open question. Go where you like with it.

To me, whether or not Stride was soliciting is a moot point. Even if she was not we have no way of knowing her response if approached by Jack and offered money for her services.

Should we roll tape with Israel Schwartz turning into Berner St, and not worry too much about what came before that, and how the actors came to be where they were at 12:45?

As to location, I have always thought of it as taxis at the airport. Yes, there are plenty of customers in that location but there are also plenty of other cabs trying to get those customers as well.

I feel you might be talking around the issue, here.

I would guess that the standard practice was money up front. So she had Jack's money mixed with hers if she had any. If he took it back after he killed her he would have taken it all. This could indicate that he was lower class and in need of money but it could simply mean that he'd be damned if some filthy whore was going to keep anything of his. Either way he is taking the money.

Stride: thimble in pocket, cachous packet in hand
Eddowes: thimble lying near, nothing in hands

Were both women robbed?

These are simply possible explanations.

c.d.

Okay, thanks.

[Michael W Richards]

Liz Stride had cashous and a flower arrangement for her jacket, she did not leave the boarding house with either, but she likely did have the 6d that she was paid for cleaning that night. Which was ample for her doss had she chosen to stay there that night. She is sober, with new accoutrements, and had plans that would last the evening.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Are you implying she was robbed?
If yes, why don't things spill onto the ground when she digs into her pocket(s), and pulls stuff out?
Why does she submit to this without struggle and/or calling out?

[c.d.]

Liz Stride had cashous and a flower arrangement for her jacket, she did not leave the boarding house with either, but she likely did have the 6d that she was paid for cleaning that night. Which was ample for her doss had she chosen to stay there that night. She is sober, with new accoutrements, and had plans that would last the evening.

Cachous not cashous. No need to thank me.

c.d.

[Michael W Richards]

Cachous not cashous. No need to thank me.

c.d.

Ok...glad you read the posts to at least check the spelling. Maybe you should digest the ideas as well.

[c.d.]

Ok...glad you read the posts to at least check the spelling. Maybe you should digest the ideas as well.

Like I said there was no need to thank me.

c.d.