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    the Autobiography of Jack the Ripper by James Carnac

    does anyone know about this book?
    was carnac a real person?
    who is the real author?
    when was it written
    whats the provenance?

    i beleive Mr Begg wrote the forward?

    if anyone knows anything about this, whats your take on it?
    Last edited by Abby Normal; 09-21-2020, 01:00 PM.
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

  • #2
    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    the Autobiography of Jack the Ripper by James Carnac

    does anyone know about this book?
    was carnac a real person?
    who is the real author?
    when was it written
    whats the provenance?

    i beleive Mr Begg wrote the forward?

    if anyone knows anything about this, whats your take on it?
    Hi Abby, my recollection is that the book is generally regarded as having been written as fiction, with no attempt to claim that it was in fact the actual diary of the killer.
    There are some great articles on the book in Ripperologist, specific references below.

    Carnac, James, The Autobiography of James Carnac Alan Hicken talk on 141:66–67 Chinese translation 129:51 provenance and analysis 124:59–67 reviewed 124:138–139, 128:135

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    • #3
      Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post

      Hi Abby, my recollection is that the book is generally regarded as having been written as fiction, with no attempt to claim that it was in fact the actual diary of the killer.
      There are some great articles on the book in Ripperologist, specific references below.

      Carnac, James, The Autobiography of James Carnac Alan Hicken talk on 141:66–67 Chinese translation 129:51 provenance and analysis 124:59–67 reviewed 124:138–139, 128:135
      thanks Barn!
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • #4
        It was found among some possessions of the creator of Larry the Lamb and Toytown, a writer who has no other known venture into the crime or horror genre, and who, on the face of it, is unlikely to have written a story from the point of the view if the murderer, which was a fairly daring approach back in the late 1920s or thereabouts. So, there is some mystery about the ms which makes it interesting. It's not a particularly well-crafted story, although it merits notice as a work of crime fiction from the Golden Age that approaches the subject from the unrepentant killer's perspective. The original ms shows that it passed through several stages of editing, or maybe the hands of two or more authors. It's not a bad read and is certainly worth the cover price, but good second-hand copies are available on ABE quite cheaply. Overall, I think it has a place in the history of the evolution of 'Jack the Ripper', especially as a figure in fiction.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PaulB View Post
          It was found among some possessions of the creator of Larry the Lamb and Toytown, a writer who has no other known venture into the crime or horror genre, and who, on the face of it, is unlikely to have written a story from the point of the view if the murderer, which was a fairly daring approach back in the late 1920s or thereabouts. So, there is some mystery about the ms which makes it interesting. It's not a particularly well-crafted story, although it merits notice as a work of crime fiction from the Golden Age that approaches the subject from the unrepentant killer's perspective. The original ms shows that it passed through several stages of editing, or maybe the hands of two or more authors. It's not a bad read and is certainly worth the cover price, but good second-hand copies are available on ABE quite cheaply. Overall, I think it has a place in the history of the evolution of 'Jack the Ripper', especially as a figure in fiction.
          Yeah Paul, when I was replying to Abby, I had in my head some connection to Larry the Lamb, but I couldn't quite drag it to my brain.
          I was bit short of time when I posted, so couldn't check it out, and I thought that if I referenced a connection to Larry the Lamb without quoting sources, Abby would probably think I was a nutter.

          The article on the Carnac book by John Bennett in Ripperologist 124 is an absolute cracker.

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          • #6
            Abby would probably think I was a nutter.
            Only ‘think’ Barn?
            Regards

            Herlock




            “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
            “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
            “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
            “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
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            • #7
              "Abby would probably think I was a nutter."

              Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

              Only ‘think’ Barn?
              A fair point well made Herlock.
              In the immortal words of Tom Waits, "You must be reading my mail.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post
                "Abby would probably think I was a nutter."



                A fair point well made Herlock.
                In the immortal words of Tom Waits, "You must be reading my mail.
                I’m too young to have heard of Tom Waits of course

                Regards

                Herlock




                “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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