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  • #16
    Did Jack read Sherlock Holmes stories?

    Actually, I had wondered about the direct opposite, whether Conan Doyle used anything from the Ripper case in his stories.


    As an example;
    The Adventure of the Cardboard Box, 1892.

    "Miss Susan Cushing, living at Cross Street, Croydon, has been made the victim of what must be regarded as a peculiarly revolting practical joke......

    At two o'clock yesterday afternoon a small packet, wrapped in brown paper, was handed in by the postman. A cardboard box was inside which was filled with coarse salt. On emptying this, Miss Cushing was horrified to find two human ears, apparently quite freshly severed. The box had been sent by parcel post from Belfast.....

    Some years ago, however, when she resided at Penge, she let apartments in her house to three young medical students.....
    One of these students came from the north of Ireland.....from Belfast.

    The word Croydon has been spelt originally with an i, which has been changed to a y. The parcel was directed, then, by a man - the printing is distinctly masculine - of limited education.

    Bodies in the dissecting-rooms are injected with preservative fluid. These ears bear no signs of this."



    The Lusk Kidney, mention of preservation fluids, an Irish connection, illiterate spelling, and "three medical students". Just a few examples of possible inspiration taken from the Whitechapel murder case.

    Regards, Jon S.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • #17
      Since Jack, were he to have read any of the Holmes stories, could only have learned from Study in Scarlet (1887) as it was the only one written before the fall of 1888. And since those murders in Study were poisonings, one can only imagine Cream or Chapman among popular suspects gaining insight into the "art of murder."

      It is interesting, though, that Holmes' Baker Street is intersected by both a Dorset Street and a George Street. And, we are told that Holmes often took long walks "which appeared to take him into the lowest portions of the city . . ." but whether those jaunts took him to Martha's George or Mary's Dorset is unknown.

      Still, when Holmes and Watson discussed the killings (and surely they must have) it was likely Dr. John H. Watson who was the more exercised by the problems posed. After all, if one accepted (as most did) that the murders were the product of an unbalanced mind then Watson would be by far the more interested of the pair. Watson not only had the requisite medical background, but had shown (as in the "Resident Patient" and elsewhere) a real curiosity about mental abberations and the pioneer work of alienists. Whereas for Holmes, the events in the East End of 1888 may have elicted no more interest than a few more clippings for his chap books.

      As for Jon's question, it is clear at least that "The Cardboard Box" had a direct influence on the Strand Magazine because a few months after the story appeared the Strand, with a bow to Doyle, ran an article about the ears of famous people.

      Don.
      "To expose [the Senator] is rather like performing acts of charity among the deserving poor; it needs to be done and it makes one feel good, but it does nothing to end the problem."

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      • #18
        Re "The Cardboard Box," I'm sure I remember Jeff Bloomfield emailing me to say that the case wasn't so much inspired by the Ripper as by something that happened to Harriet Beecher Stowe. I'm afraid this was years ago and of course I no longer have the email. Nor do I have Jeff's remarkable memory so that's all I can say.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by andy1867 View Post
          Given the mutilations suffered by the victims...could the hound of the Baskervilles have been involved?
          Interesting thought you have andy can you tell me EXACTLY what lead you to this conclusion I would be interested in finding out

          kind regards
          Sherlock Holmes

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          • #20
            In A Study in Scarlet the German word "RACHE" (revenge) is found written in blood on an interior wall at a murder scene.

            Holmes theorizes as follows:

            "As to poor Lestrade's discovery, it was simply a blind intended to put the police upon a wrong track, by suggesting socialism and secret societies. It was not done by a German. The A, if you noticed, was printed somewhat after the German fashion. Now, a real German invariably prints in the Latin character, so that we may safely say that this was not written by one, but by a clumsy imitator, who overdid his part. It was simply a ruse, to divert inquiry into a wrong channel."

            Later, the murderer admits:

            "The blood had been streaming from my nose, but I had taken no notice of it. I don't know what it was that put it into my head to write upon the wall with it. Perhaps it was some mischievous idea of setting the police upon a wrong track, for I felt light-hearted and cheerful. I remembered a German being found in New York with 'Rache' written up above him, and it was argued at the time in the newspapers that the secret societies must have done it. I guessed that what puzzled the New Yorkers would puzzle the Londoners, so I dipped my finger in my own blood and printed it on a convenient place on the wall."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes View Post
              Interesting thought you have andy can you tell me EXACTLY what lead you to this conclusion I would be interested in finding out

              kind regards
              Sherlock Holmes
              Tumblety had a large dog...not sure of quarantine laws in the 1800's though...
              All the best
              Andy

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              • #22
                Dogs

                The use of Toby in The Sign of Four could have been inspired by the Barnaby and Burgho fiasco. Doyle was careful enough to give Toby a strong scent (creosote) to follow which, we may assume, smells more strongly than Sir Charles Warren did.

                Best wishes,
                Steve.

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                • #23
                  Steve,

                  smells more strongly than Sir Charles Warren did.

                  Is that supposed to be in support of the old canard that the dogs got lost chasing Sir Charles?

                  Don.
                  "To expose [the Senator] is rather like performing acts of charity among the deserving poor; it needs to be done and it makes one feel good, but it does nothing to end the problem."

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                  • #24
                    Holmes's study....
                    Watson enters....with an apron holding a uterus..
                    Holmes "Morning Watson....is that breakfast?"
                    Watson.."No Holmes its just a little something I collected last night"
                    Holmes " You seem to be very busy during the last month or so Watson"
                    Watson " Ive not done nothing Holmes"
                    Holmes "Double negative there my medical friend"...Have you seen Mrs Hudson?"
                    Watson " Yes...I saw her about a week ago..outside Dutfields yard"
                    Holmes..."and we haven't seen her since Watson"
                    Watson.."I don't know nuffin' about anyfing"
                    Holmes "Thats better... but still not convincing"
                    Watson " I spent the night with Lestrade...."
                    Holmes .."Did you say "Liz Stride"
                    Watson.."I don't know nowt about nuffin' about what your are not talking about"
                    Holmes..."would you ask Mrs Hudson to bring breakfast up"
                    Watson " She's in the Kitchen...."..and the pantry...and I think theres a bit in the attic"
                    Holmes " I might o guessed that"
                    Watson "Mitre?"
                    Holmes .."Might o..Might have....whats up with you Watson"
                    Watson " Eddows..I mean God Knows..that what meant..I don't know nowt about nuffin'"
                    Holmes "Christ..no wonder I'm on Heroin!!"

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                    • #25
                      Holmes's study....
                      Watson enters....with an apron holding a uterus..
                      Holmes "Morning Watson....is that breakfast?"
                      Watson.."No Holmes its just a little something I collected last night"
                      Holmes " You seem to be very busy during the last month or so Watson"
                      Watson " Ive not done nothing Holmes"
                      Holmes "Double negative there my medical friend"...Have you seen Mrs Hudson?"
                      Watson " Yes...I saw her about a week ago..outside Dutfields yard"
                      Holmes..."and we haven't seen her since Watson"
                      Watson.."I don't know nuffin' about anyfing"
                      Holmes "Thats better... but still not convincing"
                      Watson " I spent the night with Lestrade...."
                      Holmes .."Did you say "Liz Stride"
                      Watson.."I don't know nowt about nuffin' about what your are not talking about"
                      Holmes..."would you ask Mrs Hudson to bring breakfast up"
                      Watson " She's in the Kitchen...."..and the pantry...and I think theres a bit in the attic"
                      Holmes " I might o guessed that"
                      Watson "Mitre?"
                      Holmes .."Might o..Might have....whats up with you Watson"
                      Watson " Eddows..I mean God Knows..that what meant..I don't know nowt about nuffin'"
                      Holmes "Christ..no wonder I'm on Heroin!!"

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                      • #26
                        Double Event!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Robert View Post
                          Double Event!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Supe View Post
                            Steve,

                            smells more strongly than Sir Charles Warren did.

                            Is that supposed to be in support of the old canard that the dogs got lost chasing Sir Charles?

                            Don.
                            Yes it is. Is that not true then, Don?

                            Best wishes,
                            Steve.

                            PS On checking the A-Z, "Police trials in Regent's park on 9th September were very successful; in Hyde Park the following day, less so. Sir Charles Warren sportingly offered himself as 'fox' for the second trial... On 19 October a canard appeared in the press that Barnaby and Burgho had been taken on training in Tooting and were lost..."

                            Nothing there to contradict the idea that the dogs failed to find Sir Charles.
                            S.
                            Last edited by Steven Russell; 09-29-2012, 07:07 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Steve,

                              No, it is not true. It would seem you should have read the full story on the bloodhounds in the latest issue of New Independent Review.

                              Don.
                              "To expose [the Senator] is rather like performing acts of charity among the deserving poor; it needs to be done and it makes one feel good, but it does nothing to end the problem."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Supe View Post
                                Steve,

                                No, it is not true. It would seem you should have read the full story on the bloodhounds in the latest issue of New Independent Review.

                                Don.
                                Well I haven't so perhaps you would care to enlighten me. NB I checked the A-Z after sending my last post and edited in a PS which you would not have seen.

                                Steve.

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