Senior Investigators-Inside Knowledge

[Abby Normal]

All these policemen knew exactly what had been going on, so all these policemen invented their various "solutions."

if that were the case and they all "knew exactly what had been going on" then you would think they would have all opted for the same "solution". that they all had various different "solutions" (ie-suspects) is indicative of they really had no clue who the killer was.

[Wickerman]

Look, lets just clarify this once and for all.
Swanson wrote about the police interest in a suspect.

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day & night. In a very short time the suspect with his hands tied behind his back, he was sent to Stepney Workhouse, and then to Colney Hatch...."

The police were dealing with a suspect, there was no arrest, no charge, whoever this subject was he was a suspect and nothing more.

[Wickerman]

The Lunacy Act 1890

"If a constable, relieving officer, or overseer is satisfied that it is necessary for the public safety or the welfare of an alleged lunatic with regard to whom it is his duty to take any proceedings, that the alleged lunatic should first be placed under care and control, he may be removed to the workhouse of the union in which the alleged lunatic is, and the master shall receive and detain him;"

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

So, he isn't actually arrested then, thanks.

[Trevor Marriott]

Lunacy Act 1845 - Wikipedia

Repealed by the 1890act

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[DJA]

Lunacy Act 1845 - Wikipedia

[Trevor Marriott]

He's not arrested if he is been taken to the workhouse. Though lunatics can be violent so moving them with restraints is normal practice.

The Lunacy Act 1890

"If a constable, relieving officer, or overseer is satisfied that it is necessary for the public safety or the welfare of an alleged lunatic with regard to whom it is his duty to take any proceedings, that the alleged lunatic should first be placed under care and control, he may be removed to the workhouse of the union in which the alleged lunatic is, and the master shall receive and detain him;"

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Wickerman]

His hands were tied behind his back when he was brought to the workhouse. Maybe a policeman's handcuffs weren't working. Or he didn't have them.

He's not arrested if he is been taken to the workhouse. Though lunatics can be violent so moving them with restraints is normal practice.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Are you sure that was in relation to the Ripper crimes, which is obviously what I was referring to?

[Scott Nelson]

If there is no evidence that Kosminski was ever arrested, what impact does this have on the confidence in him being JtR?

His hands were tied behind his back when he was brought to the workhouse. Maybe a policeman's handcuffs weren't working. Or he didn't have them.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

What would prevent the police from arresting a strong suspect - presumably Kosminski - in the case that a key witness had (supposedly) refused to testify against him?

If there is no evidence that Kosminski was ever arrested, what impact does this have on the confidence in him being JtR?

What supporting evidence do we have, for Anderson's claim that Scotland Yard suspected in advance, that certain sub-cultures in the East End would refuse to testify against there own 'kind'?

If the key witness is regarded as being Lawende, do we go along with Anderson's categorization of 'low-class Polish Jews' from the East End, in describing Lawende?

If the key witness is not Lawende, then who is it, and why?

If the witness were Schwartz, then why didn't Baxter want him at the inquest, when the search for his 1st and 2nd man was in it's very early stage?

Is it conceivable, that what Anderson says about the JtR case in TLSofMOL, is just an exercise in protecting the reputation of Scotland Yard and himself, and that the identity of JtR was not known to the yard by the time RA retired, as Abberline's subsequent comments would also suggest?

Other than these comments by Anderson, and Swanson's marginal note, is the case against Kosminski actually very weak?

[The Baron]

You've got to think Anderson and Swanson had more reason for suspecting "Kosminski" than him being a demented Jew.

...undiscovered murders are rare in London, and the "Jack-the-Ripper" crimes are not in that category...I will merely add that the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer unhesitatingly identified the suspect the instant he was confronted with him; but he refused to give evidence against him...In saying that he was a Polish Jew I am merely stating a definitely ascertained fact"




The Baron

[Simon Wood]

All these policemen knew exactly what had been going on, so all these policemen invented their various "solutions."

[Michael W Richards]

Once again I remind us all that the thread question still lingers....but it seems to be less dubious a claim as time goes by. These men gave opinions, they were varied, some didnt think anyone was fingered, some seem to suggests he was known but the lack of French Authority style policing prevented his capture. Some thought the best bets were a man who was in jail at the time of the murders, a suicide victim, and a feeble minded Immigrant Jew. Remember...these men I refer to, most of them, saw the most updated and complete intelligence that was gathered. More data than exists today. And one man, a man who earned his stripes in that area, one promoted to Senior Officer status at Scotland Yard, didnt believe anyone knew who the killer was and how many were killed by him...until 1903, when a serial poisoner who lived in the area at that time was executed. Things suddenly "dovetailed" apparently for Abberline. 15 years later.

Might this Pall Mall Gazette interview be Abberline releasing himself from personal guilt at not catching the real killer, using a known killer, now deceased, to hide his failure behind?

Seems to me a fair amount of these men received high praise and awards for their service, despite ALL of them being unable to solve what was arguably the most terrifying murder spree in recent memory. One walked away, and took his "hot potato" with him. Maybe he was the one that should have been praised. For helping save the face of many, many, less principled men....by taking a secret to his grave.

[Simon Wood]

Anderson read Macnaghten's memorandum and selected the Polish Jew.

QED

[Michael W Richards]

You've got to think Anderson and Swanson had more reason for suspecting "Kosminski" than him being a demented Jew.

I think Harry that at least in the case of Anderson, we likely have antisemitism as a possible motivator. I think Anderson worked hard to make these about an Immigrant Jew, even though I cannot see any evidence myself that would make that a clear choice. He stated that after the door to door searches, this was "ascertained". So, in September, while he is away, evidence surfaces that an immigrant Jew did the crimes, and later, that another one refused to testify against his "own kind". Based on what?