Liz Stride - Facts

[Lewis C]

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What really are the "facts"...?...

Hi RD,

I think that this thread was started just to make the point that it isn't a fact that Stride's killer was interrupted. I agree that that isn't a fact, but I think it's probably what happened. Interrupted by something, not necessarily by Diemschutz.

[The Rookie Detective]

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What really are the "facts"...?...

[Ginger]

I've probably completely understood this post, but are you suggesting the possibility of a serial killer targeting women called Mary Jane? Because to be honest, that seems a tad unlikely to me.

There was a case in the States in the early 70s where it's suggested that the killer chose his targets for their names. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_murders I tend to doubt it, but I suppose it's possible. It should be noted that a later series of three murders in California of similarly-named women was initially blamed on the same killer, but when he was caught, it was discovered that he had other victims who didn't fit the presumed pattern.

[c.d.]

royal conspiracy is what fishy believes if im not mistaken

Yeah, I thought that might be the case but I wanted to make sure.

c.d.

[Abby Normal]

Hello Fishy,

What is your theory on why Jack killed these particular women?

c.d.

royal conspiracy is what fishy believes if im not mistaken

[Michael W Richards]

Jesus, I think you just opened Pandora's box.....

No, that is known here as a Diary Thread Jon.

[Michael W Richards]

I've probably completely understood this post, but are you suggesting the possibility of a serial killer targeting women called Mary Jane? Because to be honest, that seems a tad unlikely to me.

Im not, cant speak for anyone else though. Im merely pointing out that the aliases Kate concocted her last 24 hours are fairly remarkable when considering who was to be the next victim in the alledged "Ripper series". In my opinion its a very good indicator that Kate knew someone calling themselves Mary Kelly living on Dorset Street. Maybe Kate was killed because someone believed she was in fact that Mary Kelly.

[Wickerman]

Jesus, I think you just opened Pandora's box.....

[c.d.]

Hello Fishy,

What is your theory on why Jack killed these particular women?

c.d.

[JeffHamm]

Whats been overlooked by many is the significant of the two names, not the reason behind them. The ripper perhaps thought in killing eddows he had eliminated his intended FINAL victim mary jane kelly .ive not heard any explanation as to why all four murders were committed in less than a month.Then 6 weeks later kelly was killed . Did jack go on holidays ? or have the flu ? or did he think he had already killed kelly . Till he found out she was still alive and then silence her for good knowing his work was finally over.

Hi Fishy,

How did the Ripper know Eddowes would give her name as Mary Anne Kelly when she was released from the drunk tank? She gave it as "nothing" when she was taken in? And given you've said JtR rushed from Stride to get to Eddowes (thinking she was Mary Jane Kelly) and it appears Eddowes was released just shortly after Stride's murder, so again how did JtR know Eddowes was about to give the name Mary Anne Kelly?

- Jeff

[John G]

I've probably completely understood this post, but are you suggesting the possibility of a serial killer targeting women called Mary Jane? Because to be honest, that seems a tad unlikely to me.

[Michael W Richards]

Her steady partner was named Kelly, and Ann and Mary were very common names. If she was making a deliberate link with the final victim she was wrong about the middle name, but people tend to conveniently overlook that.

She used Jane Kelly on the pawn ticket, and Mary Kelly at Bishopsgate. The fact that within the 2 names and addresses she gave in her last 24hrs there is Mary Jane Kelly of Dorset Street is remarkable considering Marys fate. In that it is presumed that Kate and Mary also shared a killer...something which I don't buy into myself, but it is potentially relevant data.

[Michael W Richards]

Stride was killed in a hurry ,so as to get to Eddows before she was released from bishopsgate police station. Now thats a fact

That is pure speculation and no more a "fact" than a suggested interruption on Berner Street is.

[Michael W Richards]

Eddows gave her name when she locked up as Mary Ann Kelly, she was mistaken for the last victim one Mary Jane KELLY . coincidence ? not a snowflakes chance in hell .

Kate used 2 aliases in her last 24 hours, (pawn ticket, check-in at Bishopsgate), and within the combined names and addresses the following is present....Mary Jane Kelly, 6 Dorset St. Seems to me that the coincidence is more than just interesting, considering Kate is considered to be a Jack the Ripper victim by many, and Mary is the very next alleged Ripper victim.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Whats been overlooked by many is the significant of the two names, not the reason behind them. The ripper perhaps thought in killing eddows he had eliminated his intended FINAL victim mary jane kelly .

Its hardly been overlooked from Leonard Matters to Stephen Knight.

When you talk about the significance of the two names are you talking about Mary and Kelly? Why is Ann not significant? As Sam has said, these are hardly rare names. The conspiracy that your talking about has been done to death.

. ive not heard any explanation as to why all four murders were committed in less than a month.Then 6 weeks later kelly was killed . Did jack go on holidays ? or have the flu ? or did he think he had already killed kelly . Till he found out she was still alive and then silence her for good knowing his work was finally over.

This is because we don’t know. There could have been any number of reasons: The killer could have been ill or injured. He could have been incarcerated. He might have had to have gone out of town on business. He might have been attending his sick mother.