Frederick Gehringer: Barrow Lender, Lodging House Keeper and Crime Lord?

[The Rookie Detective]

Ah yes, I recall now...


1879...


Kate Dacey, the "smart, little Irishwoman" who stabbed 2 men on the street...





Fascinating rogue of a woman by the sound of it.



RD

[The Rookie Detective]

Seanr, what do you make of this?...


From June 1882...


Kate Dacey sounds familiar


This is Frederick Geringer trying to pass off as the husband of Kate...




Interesting.


RD

[The Rookie Detective]

An excellent thread Seanr and very interesting indeed.


Just a brief observation...

George Hutchinson claimed in his statement that he had walked from Romford, and that he knew MJK.

Romford is directly linked to Crossingham.

Romford is in Essex

Crossingham was very much linked to Essex


Hutchinson was standing outside Crossinghams when he observed A man walk into Miller Court with MJK

His overly detailed description of A Man is reminiscent of a Pugilist...or perhaps a boxer.

Nobody has been able to trace Hutchinson outside of the MJK murder case.

Was Hutchinson the hired hand of Crossingham who was paid to murder MJK on McCarthy's turf?

And by describing a Pugilist as the man he saw with MJK, was he trying to pin the blame on those involved with the illegal fighting scene and attempt to frame McCarthy?

Could Hutchinson have worked for Crossingham?

Could the City of Essex be linked to Crossingham?

Was MJK butchered on McCarthy's turf by a rival?

McCarthy and Crossingham weren't necessarily rivals, but they did own Dorset Street between them.


The words and motivation of PS Thick(e) should be considered with caution, because he helped to give McCarthy a good character statement and essentially was instrumental in getting McCarthy off the hook for illegal fighting.

I believe that MJK was a City of Norwich girl, but I may stand corrected.

Did those loyal to the City of Essex plan the murder of MJK on McCarthy's turf?

In the long term, McCarthy seems to have prevailed, as he remained in Dorset Street for years.
Crossingham died
Cooney died

Did the death of Fred Gerhinger senior in early 1888 cause a void and power rift between rival factions?


Interesting indeed


RD

[seanr]

From the Freemason, Saturday, November 21st 1896. An F. Gehringher attending a meeting of the Strong Man Lodge, No 45

https://masonicperiodicals.org/static/media/periodicals/119-FVL-1896-11-21-001-SINGLE.pdf

[seanr]

Frederick Geringher, the younger one who was a lodging house keeper and lived on Great Pearl Street, I am led to believe was a Freemason.

[seanr]

East London Observer - Saturday 27 March 1875

The Gehringer's lost their license for a while. This is probably related to trial from 1872.

[seanr]

Confirmed date of death for Frederick Gehringer the senior as 1st of January, 1888 from the East London Observer - Saturday 07 January 1888. The pub appears to have stayed with the family until ~1895-ish.

[seanr]

Sporting Life - Tuesday 23 May 1882

The police had previously warned off Mr Gehringer from staging boxing/ wrestling events in 1882.

[seanr]

Sporting Life - Wednesday 29 August 1888

I believe this article is one of the sources Grappling with History used for their article on Ching Ghook from the description of the boxing ring.

Ching Ghook would have been the manager of the boxing room at the City of Norwich, at the time Mrs Gehringer was questioned by William Thick as to what she knew about Ripper suspect Jacob Isenschmid in September 1888.

[seanr]

Sporting Life - Wednesday 06 February 1889

The City of Norwich was indeed a boxing venue. In 1889, the pub was still being run by Mrs Emma Gehringer perhaps with help from John Nafzgher after Frederick snr had died.
The Gehringers and the McCarthys both involved in the East End boxing scene.

[seanr]

A boxing tradition at the City of Norwich perhaps (in addition to Blue Coat Boy in Dorset Street). From 'Grappling with History's excellently researched article:

https://grapplingwithhistory.com/201...oscow-part-ii/

A 13 foot boxing ring and gym as well as a bagatelle room? Seems to have been quite spacious inside.

I would love to see the sources for the boxing ring, but I guess I'll have to wait for the book on Ching (G)Hook.

The Ringvereine, Weimar Gemany's most developed manifestation of organised crime, emerged in the late nineteenth century, and although it spread rapidly after the World War I, it received little academic attention, and there are few published studies. Ringvereine translates as 'Wrestling Associations.' Supposedly members practised wrestling in order to maintain and demonstrate their physical prowess while meeting in their favourite pubs.

The Politics of Organized Crime and the Organized Crime of Politics by Alfredo Schulte-Bockholt.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...tput=html_text

A distinctly German phenomenon to be sure, but would it be so far fetched for something similar to emerge in London. Didn't the Kray Twins box?

The City of Norwich and the Blue-Coat Boy both appear to have had boxing rings. I wonder...

[Joshua Rogan]

Mr. Mansfield Parkyns

Wasn't he a Jane Austen novel?

[seanr]

The London Gazette, July 17th 1868

The Bankruptcy Act, 1861. Notice of Sittings for Last Examination. Frederick Gehringer, late of No. 61, Wentworth-street, Whitecbapei, in the county,of Middlesex, Licensed Victualler, having been adjudged bankrupt under an adjudication of Bankruptcy, made by a Registrar of tbe Court of Bankruptcy, London, attending at the Gaol at Whitecross-street, London, -and filed in Her Majesty's Court of Bankruptcy, in London, on the 18th day of May, 1868, a public sitting, for the said bankrupt to pass his Last Examination, and make application for his Discharge, will be held before Thomas Ewing Winslow, Esq., Commissioner of the said Court, on the 8th day of August next, at the said Court, at Basinghall-street, in the city of London, at twelve of the clock at noon precisely, the day last aforesaid being the day limited for the said bankrupt to surrender. Mr. Mansfield Parkyns, of No. 36, Basinghall-street. London, is the Official Assignee, and Mr. W. W. Aldridgs, of No. 46, Moorgate-street, is the Splicitor acting in the bankruptcy.

[seanr]

Frederick Gehringer senior declared bankrupt in the Edinburgh Gazette, May 29th 1868. At least, I think it was probably the senior because the job title is given as licensed victualler: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinbur...e/631/data.pdf

BANKRUPTS FROM THE LONDON GAZETTE.

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Frederick Gehringer, late of 61, Wentworth, Street, Whitechapel, Middlesex, licensed victualler

In spite of this, the City of Norwich, which was at 61 Wentworth Street, remained with the Gehringer family until the early to mid 1890s. This was 4 years before the Henry Skett trial at the Old Bailey.

[seanr]

A boxing tradition at the City of Norwich perhaps (in addition to Blue Coat Boy in Dorset Street). From 'Grappling with History's excellently researched article:

In August 1888 Hook was handed the keys to the City of Norwich pub on Wentworth Street, Whitechapel. The “well ventilated” and spacious gym, with its 13 foot boxing ring, was now under Hook’s management and public sparring took place every Saturday and Monday night.

https://grapplingwithhistory.com/201...oscow-part-ii/

A 13 foot boxing ring and gym as well as a bagatelle room? Seems to have been quite spacious inside.

I would love to see the sources for the boxing ring, but I guess I'll have to wait for the book on Ching (G)Hook.