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  • paul emmett
    Detective
    • Feb 2008
    • 370

    #16
    Hello, Sahlandilbaz.

    I'm not a Sickert proponent, but your points were interesting.





    Buddy Rich could never hack it by himself.

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    • Doctor X
      Inactive
      • Mar 2008
      • 844

      #17
      Indeed. He overplayed. While having unsurpassed technical excellence, he did overplay.

      This is why the cognizant prefer Krupa.

      Yours truly,

      --J.D.

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      • The Good Michael
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 3773

        #18
        Originally posted by Cap'n Jack View Post
        If you want what I'm drinking then you'll have to find Tsing Tao Chinese beer,
        It is widely found in the States. It is less widely found in Korea, sadly. The brewery was started be Germans when they controlled the province. That's the only reason it's somewhat drinkable.

        Mike, your brewmaster
        huh?

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        • plang
          Inactive
          • Feb 2008
          • 298

          #19
          Typical mob behavior. Most of you can't accept the possibillity that Cornwell may be on to something. Most of you go with popular opinion for fear of ridicule. As long as you are one of the gang, that's all that matters, right?

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          • Doctor X
            Inactive
            • Mar 2008
            • 844

            #20
            We are part of a Colony [Tm.--Ed.], yes.

            Yours truly,

            --J.D.

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            • Sam Flynn
              Casebook Supporter
              • Feb 2008
              • 13333

              #21
              Originally posted by plang View Post
              Most of you can't accept the possibillity that Cornwell may be on to something.
              She is - she's onto a nice little earner. As to the drawing: full marks to Sahlandilbaz for making the interconnect with an obscure drawing, but any resemblance between it and Eddowes is assuredly slight and coincidental - unless Roger Fry's abdominal cavity really did start where his chin left off.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • Ally
                WWotW
                • Feb 2008
                • 2554

                #22
                Sahland...

                If you have already decided that Sickert is guilty, then I am sure you can find "proof", clues and hints in almost everything the man ever did...much like Cornwell did. That doesn't mean that what you are seeing is what was intended by Sickert. You are basing your assessment of the work on a judgement you've already made. That will not be considered convincing proof by any skeptical person, viewing it with an unbiased eye. The entire case against Sickert has been tainted by Cornwell's book. A slapdash, shoddy piece of investigation and outright fantasy. Her ego and her arrogance led her to inventing a history for Sickert that are not born up by the evidence that actually is factual. The fact that she based her theory on this invented history is just absolutely idiotic. So I am afraid that any speculation that derives from Cornwell's work is going to be inherently flawed, and if you attempt to find "evidence" in random pictures, well you are mostly in for a rough road.

                Let all Oz be agreed;
                I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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                • sahlandilbaz
                  Cadet
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 30

                  #23
                  dear weird people,

                  My only goal was to share, and want to know if someone else sees it too or not.
                  Funny thing leonardo mentioned, he was my actual source for looking to Sickert`s drawings, according to him at one of his Codexes , a painter always draws things like himself/or herself, if he has big ugly hands, or some ugly features the painting cannot escape and carries what it`s creator like inside.
                  And another thing must be said, if you are like me, someone who dont have any access to original paperwork about the case, or some good details about other suspects, Sickert is our best in comparison and to study. His relationship with Whistler or his actions after becoming somewhat famous are all archived.
                  We dont have this luck with any other in my opinion.

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                  • paul emmett
                    Detective
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 370

                    #24
                    Hi, sahlandilbaz.

                    While I'm not buying into the big hands notion, I do think that there are scars/traumas that the artist cannot escape from.

                    As far as new material and new suspects, you should just do some reading around this Casebook: there is a wealth of both knowledge and material.

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                    • kensei
                      Sergeant
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 983

                      #25
                      Just wanted to give one little piece of input here- I'm on the fence about Sickert, but it's actually not necessary to even mention Cornwell when discussing him as a suspect in general because she was not the first to suggest it.

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                      • Doctor X
                        Inactive
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 844

                        #26
                        Originally posted by sahlandilbaz View Post
                        dear weird people,
                        Dear Pompous Fat-Head:

                        My only goal was to share, and want to know if someone else sees it too or not.


                        Please interpret that picture. Methinks Sickert is involved. . . .

                        Yours truly,

                        --J.D.

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                        • JSchmidt
                          Detective
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 137

                          #27
                          I fail to see any similarities between the two pictures. While you might interprete the waistcoat in the Sickert drawing as the ragged cleft the killer left in poor Catherine Eddowes, I'd think that the rest of the drawing should resemble the morgue sketch way more then.
                          What about the eyes/glasses? Shape of the head? Hair?
                          And even if it did resemble the mortuary sketch, we would have to rule out that Sickert saw the sketch and tried to reproduce it.
                          "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." - Quellcrist Falconer
                          "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Johannes Clauberg

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                          • Mike Covell
                            Superintendent
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 2957

                            #28
                            I think its pure coincidence, but you should sell your ideas to Pat Cornwell, I hear she isn't short a bob or two!
                            Regards Mike

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                            • jmenges
                              Moderator
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 2247

                              #29
                              Not that it necessarily bears repeating, but the Sickert sketch is of painter and art-critic Roger Fry, made by Sickert, one assumes, on the spot while attending one of Fry's lectures. Sickert disliked Fry, to put it mildly, and that dislike may be seen (if you're into seeing things in art) in his rather gloomy representation of the critic.

                              No more, no less.

                              JM

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                              • Cap'n Jack
                                *
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 1497

                                #30
                                That's it, JM, you Fry up Dr Do-Little's old cod and Bob is Cornwallis' uncle.

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