Albert Chester Ives

[lynn cates]

Hello All. I am starting this thread for research on the Irish Correspondent to the New York Herald, Albert Chester Ives (ca. 1854-1910).

He came to London in November 1888 to testify before the Parnell Commission. His testimony was given on November 6 & 7. It is included in pp. 15-21 of MacDonald's "Diary of the Parnell Commission."

Debs Arif first spotted this chap and has begun research on him.

Any additional information would be appreciated.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Spectator

Hello All. Here is a link to a brief summary explaining his testimony before the commission.

Cheers.
LC

http://books.google.com/books?id=mEc9AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA1543&lpg=PA1543&dq=albert+chester+ives&source=bl&ots=xVfWID0bBE&sig=TlkoRk6vkwf2pTbuzL6ZcFICv88&hl=en&sa=X&ei=egkOT4OfMdLs2AWc5vWQCA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=albert%20chester%20ives&f=false

[lynn cates]

the missus

Hello All. Here is a link to the biography of his first wife. According to Debs Arif, they seem to have divorced in 1889.

Cheers.
LC

http://books.google.com/books?id=zXEEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=albert+chester+ives+florence&source=bl&ots=fXZm4Z-P_Y&sig=9aWEBESUL_BC27IG6cMn9yMTDoA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-Q0OT_e5B4Sa2gWnp7HRBw&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=albert%20chester%20ives%20florence&f=false

[lynn cates]

All in teh family

Hello All. Father-in-law, of course.

Cheers.
LC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bicknell_Carpenter

[Debra A]

My interest was mainly in his coat, Lynn. :-)
'thick and dark and liberally trimmed with astrakan on the collar and cuffs' -the PMG
Plus the timing of his evidence and the sketches taken of him giving evidence on November 6th and 7th 1888 and reproduced in the papers wearing THAT coat...but after the 13th I have since found. :-(
He was an American but lived a long time in Marylebone. Clipstone Street at one point.
He committed suicide in 1910 after several business failures.
Anyone in the UK who has ever bought a Daily paper with a complimentary scratchcard included, uncovered 3 bells, got excited and rung in to claim a prize- usually a watch claimed to be worth £50 but really worth £2, on the back of a phonecall costing £10 -or subbed to the readers digest on the strength that they have won a share in a guaranteed big cash prize, has a lot to grumble at Albert for! He was perhaps the originator of this type of marketing in the UK,brought over from the US.

[lynn cates]

drawing

Hello Debs. Thanks for that. I'm still waiting for you to post his drawing.

Yes, lots of THAT kind of marketing in the colonies. So he's the importer to the UK?

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

He got the balme for bringing it the UK's way anyway, Lynn.

Here's the pic. A bit more beefy than A man Ithink?
I also have one of the vivisectionist Lawson Tait in his astrakan coat and matching hat. I'm obviously fascinated by the type of man who dressed like this. So far, a medic, a journalist and the pugilist Charlie Mitchell were wearing them in 88. Charlie's opponent also had the horse shoe tie pin. It makes it hard to decide on what type of person wore astrakan coats in 88! Fashionable and classy or flash and tacky?

[lynn cates]

surly

Hello Debs. Well, possibly--but he does look surly enough.

Speaking of the pin, Millen wore an Irish harp pin. Close enough to a horseshoe?

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hello Debs. Well, possibly--but he does look surly enough.

Yes, but Hutchinsons man didn't have an American accent

[DVV]

Hi Obs, true.
He had a red Cadillac and a black moustache.

[Debra A]

Hello Debs. Well, possibly--but he does look surly enough.

Speaking of the pin, Millen wore an Irish harp pin. Close enough to a horseshoe?

Cheers.
LC

Chalk and cheese, Lynn? Hutch was very observant? Some say too observant? An agenda? Saw it, read it somewhere at the Victoria Home library? That's what I was thinking with the A man reported circa Nov 88. Millen is too blotchy and too A man all rolled into one, surely he can't be both?
As an aside. Neil Bell wrote a piece called 'undefended Whitechapel?' or something like that and in that piece was a pic of contemporary pugilists including Wolf Bendhoff ( proven to be skulking around Whitechapel in 88) looking very dapper.Well dressed respectable doesn't mean a toff ( who couldn't defend himself)I'm thinking?

[lynn cates]

to tell the truth

Hello Debs. Well, if it was an Irish harp, he erred with horse shoe.

I used to imagine that there was no possibility that Hutchinson told the truth. Now it seems possible.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Hi Lynn,
Well if he meant horseshoe, the most commonest given out sporting prize , he was bang on.
I used to think no one dressed respectably would go down Dorset Street,but what about resepectable looking local man who could handle himslef in a fight?

[lynn cates]

Por que no? No se.

Hello Debs. No a priori reason why not.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

In English? Pardon my ignorance. Lynn.