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    Ally, your wish, my command.
    For those who have not met the 'Colony' model before, I should explain that I was attempting to look at the behaviour of serial killers from an evolutionary and biological perspective. This was misunderstood at the time by Ally, and others, who saw my comments as being sexually specific, and critical of different sections of the community. They were, and are not. They refer to changes in law and society which took place between the Late Victorian Period and the age we live in now. That is called 'history'. Only the third section was banned, I have included the others so that it may be read in context.

    'Could it be that a particular individual within the colony who
    either holds himself back from the mainstream through a peculiar
    shyness, or alternately is deliberately held back from the
    persuasive sway of the crowd by circumstances beyond his own
    control - such as parental influence or abject poverty - might well
    be more susceptible to the subtle signals than the average colony
    member?
    I think yes.
    For all the signs seem to dictate that this particular type of
    individual is a `loner', far removed from the maddening crowd,
    a `sleeper' if you like, lying deep below the day to day to strata
    of the colony, an individual who has absolutely no influence on
    society until he explodes into violent and unexpected action, and
    then actually causes that society to go into a sudden swerve, which
    is - as I said before - the natural biological consequence of
    these `sleepers' and is patently their evolutionary task.
    To keep the colony on track.
    Rather than listening to the generalized radio signals the colony
    transmits - the smoothing sounds of organization and well-being
    transmitted by the technology the colony possesses at that
    particular time - this rare individual will spend countless idle
    hours listening to the peculiar music in his head, and in some weird
    form or manner he hears these signals through a solid wall of chaos,
    and quite rightly takes these signals onto the streets and makes the
    colony fully aware of their import.
    Unbeknown to him, you and me, he is but fulfilling a task that
    ensures the successful guidance of the colony through a passage of
    time and space so immense that the colony might well lose its way
    and descend into total chaos without that individual to scratch a
    record of its passing.
    If that thought leaves you in a similar isolation bubble as
    experienced by the `sleeper' then you must take heart in the fact
    that there are proven criteria for the enforced isolation of
    individuals within the colony, and this is mostly based around a
    fear and or loathing of the mainstream of the colony, and a
    primitive desire to exercise some control over the obviously
    uncontrollable machinations of the whole.
    The colony marches one way and this individual marches the other.
    So the colony turns around and marches back in a vain attempt to
    pick up the pieces, and hence does a single individual swerve the
    entire colony through an idle bit of chaos.
    Truly frightening.

    So we have the will of an individual pitched against the almighty
    will of the colony, which seems to be impossible, but we must accept
    that it happens, even further than that we have to accept the
    sobering fact that sometimes an individual will actually impose his
    will on the colony and dominate it.
    However this in itself might - quite perversely - well be the hidden
    result of the collective will somehow kindling and lighting the
    individual's will in an effort to kick the colony back into the
    predestined direction after it has taken a dangerous swerve or
    appears to be on an imminent path of collision. Both the individual
    and the colony would be unaware of this subtle and somewhat humorous
    situation, as it is a biological marker that cannot be diagnosed,
    assessed or even recognised using the normal human tools of
    intellect, intelligence or logic.
    Simply put: the colony gets what the colony deserves, and wants.
    And if that `what' is an individual running around Whitechapel in
    the late 1880's with a knife, murdering and mutilating women, then
    somehow the colony has summoned this strange creature, and that
    summons has very real and fathomable purpose and intent.
    The import is in trying to look deeper into the actions of Jack; the
    signals that the colony might have been transmitting at that time,
    and then apply some lessons concerning the will of the colony and
    the individual that recent history may have taught us.
    All is not what it seems, and to analyse Jack and his fellow
    soldiers, it is imperative to shut out completely the logical side
    of our brain and allow the creative side to run riot through the
    dark passageways of the colony's collective mind.
    For it is our tendency - as a developing species - to always look
    with our intellect, intelligence and logic at specific situations
    and attempt to analyse and explain motive, intent and purpose, but
    often the specific situation we are looking at - as in this specific
    case with the colony and even more specifically with Jack - is a
    purely biological situation where our precious logic and intellect
    simply do not apply.
    A small sample should serve the purpose of demonstration.

    In recent times we have seen a persuasive colony swerve where the
    gay community within that colony is concerned, from the days of the
    late 70's and early 80's where gangs of soldiers would scour the
    streets looking for workers of this persuasion and then indulging
    themselves with what was politely termed by the colony as `queer
    bashing', in other words brutalising those workers who did not fit
    the colony model and in many cases actually killing them. This
    seemed to be openly tolerated by the colony which appeared to be
    transmitting the signal for such violent action in the first place,
    and it soon became apparent through no other means than the
    signalling apparatus of the colony that `gays' within the colony
    would not be tolerated in any form or manner. A mere hint that a
    worker might have been of that persuasion was enough for the
    soldiers to be unleashed and no matter how high the office occupied
    by the individual his usefulness to the colony had expired.
    Since then - using subtle messaging and signalling techniques
    through the mass media and ruling soldier classes occupying
    positions of authority within the community - we have seen a
    complete reversal of the situation where gay members of the colony
    are positively encouraged and are indeed placed into positions of
    power and privilege within the colony.
    So in the space of a few years the colony moves from `queer bashing'
    to `gay liberation' and the special needs of that gay community are
    now enshrined and protected by the laws of the colony. An
    unthinkable situation a few years ago.
    What happened?
    Nothing is the answer.
    There is no convincing argument or evidence of a logical nature to
    explain this complete turn around in the moral codes and conduct of
    the colony. There is no single instance that influenced this wild
    swing in attitude and application. The media is silent. There was no
    war, there was no peace, just a long streak of silence and then we
    wake up in a new world.
    What we have witnessed is evolution, insidious and undeniable.
    The colony is working at its own behest to cut the sexual stakes of
    existence down by half.
    What many of us may view as the unhealthy interest that a common sex
    may share for that same common sex is positively greeted by the
    evolutionary machine pounding away deep within the colony whose
    ultimate achievement is just such a scenario.
    An `alien wind'.
    So as not to leave this achievement of the colony in splendid
    isolation we must now examine an even more puzzling example.'

  • #2
    So first of all, having read the thing, I now remember it, I now remember who asked for it to be banned, and honeybunches, it weren't me. I also remember the parts that people specifically objected to.

    In reference to people accepting gays as part of the community you say this:

    What we have witnessed is evolution, insidious and undeniable.
    People objected to you stating that gay rights is insidious.

    What many of us may view as the unhealthy interest that a common sex
    may share for that same common sex is positively greeted by the
    evolutionary machine pounding away deep within the colony whose
    ultimate achievement is just such a scenario.
    And the idea that homosexuality is an unhealthy interest. These are moral judgements. These were what was complained about, and this and the subsequent posts were what was banned, not as you try to insinuate that your post was banned merely for suggesting Jack the Ripper was gay, but because this and subsequent posts were perceived as homobashing.

    And once again, sweetcheeks: your post was NOT deleted at my instigation. I'd rather leave it up here and call you the pseudo-intellectual your writings reveal you to be.

    However, if people object to it, and frankly that's their call not mine, they have the right to complain and the administer has the right to remove any remarks he perceives as being homobashing. But dont' try to make this out like your theory was suppressed just because you posited he was gay. You weren't the first, you won't be the last.
    Last edited by Ally; 04-09-2008, 08:50 PM.

    Let all Oz be agreed;
    I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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    • #3
      Ally, I remember things very well. You popped up with some scathing invective after I posted that, and it was removed. Along with yours.
      My point is that I was going on with the 'Colony' model until you stopped me dead in the tracks.
      Taking the comments you outline in their historical context, I'm afraid I cannot see why you, or anyone else, objected to them.
      Have none of you ever heard of Oscar Wilde?
      I was making the simple point that men like Oscar, and Tumblety, could be prosecuted in 1888 for their sexual persuasion but by 1988 they could not.
      I was also making the simple point that the Catholic Church in 1988 viewed homosexuality as beyond the pale... and still do.
      This is not about my opinion, but rather about history.
      You ban that at your peril.

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      • #4
        AP,

        Dearest infant. If I pop up on a thread with scathing invective, I am hardly likely to petition for the thread to be removed because I am not the type of person who wastes their time posting a reply to something I am going to petition to be deleted. I value MY keen insights much too much. If I post a scathing invective, it is because I want to post scathing invective and the only way I can post continued scathing invective is if the idiot to whom I am invecting responds. If I want something deleted I don't bother wasting my time with a reply, I simply hit the REPORT POST button and request it get deleted. So once again, sweetcheeks, just because I said your post was crap, doesn't mean I was the one requesting it be deleted. I believe stupidity like that should stand and the person posting it should be held publicly accountable for what they write.
        Last edited by Ally; 04-09-2008, 09:24 PM.

        Let all Oz be agreed;
        I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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        • #5
          I disagree with AP"s analysis of how human society "evolves".
          What I have seen is gays themselves calling the shots.
          This came about to a certain extent as part of a whole youth radicalisation that swept through the Western world in the wake of the Czechoslovakian uprising of 1968, led by Dubcek .It was known as the "Prague Spring". result , thousands and thousands of students in 1968 throughout Europe became radicalised on numbers of issues---in France students took to the streets about the people who ran their universities.They built barricades,occupied their universities,forged struggles with workers etc.ditto London etc.
          In America there were vast demonstrations about issues such as Civil Rights/ Vietnam in particular and these were soon followed by the development of the Womens Movement-leading to demands for equal rights/demonstrations around equal work for equal pay etc bra burning in America etc -and Gay Rights was part of all this.In other words groups that felt they were being discriminated against because of their gender ,race or sexual orientation began a "fight back" and it was these huge grass roots struggles that eventually forced changes in legislation, and NOT some kind of collective will of the masses that silently made itself felt.The protests were often loud ,bloody and anything BUT silent.
          Natalie

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          • #6
            oh Nats, don't talk sense. We all just woke up one day and the gays were allowed to buy houses. I mean really, buy houses! In our neighborhoods. And have jobs! Where they could say they were gay and we couldn't lynch them like they oughtta be lynched. There was no struggle, there was no fight, there was nothing but an easy slide into tolerance and acceptance and here we are today: absolutely kosher and everything's a-ok for the gays and they have every right straight people have...

            Let all Oz be agreed;
            I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ally View Post
              oh Nats, don't talk sense. We all just woke up one day and the gays were allowed to buy houses. I mean really, buy houses! In our neighborhoods. And have jobs! Where they could say they were gay and we couldn't lynch them like they oughtta be lynched. There was no struggle, there was no fight, there was nothing but an easy slide into tolerance and acceptance and here we are today: absolutely kosher and everything's a-ok for the gays and they have every right straight people have...
              Yes Ally .Lets keep the real flag flying even if its often one step forward two steps back..............

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ally View Post
                oh Nats, don't talk sense. We all just woke up one day and the gays were allowed to buy houses.
                You think that is bad, I woke up one day and found out women had the vote--women . . . the vote!

                What next? Driving privileges?













                I blame the rock and roll. . . .

                Now, regarding the post--if ever "tl:dnr" or even "ts:dnr" applied to a post that does not involve Queen Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela, and the Space Aliens this is one. I could spend the day parsing the fallacies. Since I have more important things to do like witness further Glorious Red Sox triumph I will distill it to its base:

                Petitio principii, also known as argumentum in circulo: the "question begging" or "argument in circle." The person merely restates the argument in order to support the argument.

                I had kindly ask'd for evidence of said "Colony"--notice how capitalizing it renders the argument more sound! Kids? You want to appear smart and stuff? Use capitals! What is offered?

                Nothing.

                The post proposes a model without any evidence from the time to justify the model. It is speculation. I will allow others to speculate regarding the reason for such musing; I will merely confine myself to the structural problems.

                It is analogous to the:

                Claim: Masons were an important group
                Claim: Masons take care of their own.
                Observation: Jack the Ripper was never caught.
                Speculation: If Jack the Ripper was a Mason
                Claim: He would have been protected by the Masons.

                argument. Continue with it a bit, then start stating the only way the case makes sense is if Jack the Ripper was a Mason. At no point will actual evidence be offered to support it save maybe some odd cherry picking speculations.

                More fatal to the speculations the negative evidence. "Like tends to kill like" in that heterosexual serial killers tend to kill the opposite sex whilst homosexual killers tend to kill the same sex--the sex to which they are attracted. Nothing is absolute, of course, but I it not unreasonable to expect some explanation as to why, if part of this Homosexual Colony [Time Shares Available.--Ed.], Jack chose to kill women.

                The speculations above seem to recognize that failure: by speculating some misguided "threat" seen by a member of this speculative "Colony." This is arguing in circles and adds nothing to discussion.

                If my tone appears to some a "trifle on the harsh side of 'strict'" it is in reaction to the hyperbolic protestations. That rejection of these speculations have "set back Ripper work by 20 years" or some such nonsense.

                This is a theory.

                It is a bad theory without evidence, but the holder of it is perfectly free to research it and try to provide evidence for it. He can start up his own blog, submit his work for publication, et cetera.

                Yours truly,

                --J.D.

                P.S.

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                • #9
                  If Ally had not stopped me, I would have gone on to link the crimes of the Whitechapel Murderer to that of modern terrorists, who are very much conditioned by social signals within their very restrictive social circle. But if I had dared to link modern terrorism with an Islamic culture I probably would have been banned as well.
                  The Whitechapel Murders had just as much impact on the ordinary lifes of Londoners in 1888 as did the recent bombings by terrorists in exactly the same venue. And I mean exactly.
                  The motive immaterial, incredible and totally unknown.
                  The impact was everything.
                  Impact made.

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                  • #10
                    How the **** did the freemasons get involved?
                    I slit my wrists forthwith and willingly.
                    Ally, it's all yours.
                    I freely admit that gay men are gay, women are women, and all pandas live in China and have black and white colouration, apart from when they are red.
                    ****'s sake.

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                    • #11
                      AP,

                      Oh look, at the whine. Raving on about his persecution complex again. I STOPPED AP WOLF, people. Somebody better send me some damn flowers, I am the one who took out AP Wolf, just when he was about to crack the case. You all who have invested your lives in making sure the Ripper case is never solved had better send me buckets of champagne for the service I have done to you.

                      You just wouldn't be complete if you didn't have something to feel persecuted about would ya AP? I mean let's not let the facts get in the way of anything. Let's just you keep on repeating I'm the one who did it, I stopped you and let's ignore the little inconvenient truths like you continued on with your stupid "colony model" for pages after that ...yeah I stopped you. If only.

                      Let all Oz be agreed;
                      I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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                      • #12
                        Sure, JtR was a womanbashing gay. It's pure logic... NOT.
                        "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." - Quellcrist Falconer
                        "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Johannes Clauberg

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                        • #13
                          Yes you did, Ally. You banged that thread down.
                          We either have a wide scope here, or we have a very narrow scope here.
                          The choice is yours, not mine.
                          I just post stuff and get banned.
                          You just ban stuff and never post.
                          You must be some kinda of god.

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                          • #14
                            As far as I can tell, this has nothing to do with Jack's sexual orientations. Even if the Ripper murders somehow were created by society, or Jack somehow changed society by being an odd man out, it doesn't follow that Jack was homosexual, heterosexual, or even male.

                            The comparison to changing attitudes about gays isn't really that close. Jack did not make serial killing acceptable. This seems mainly to be an argument about how societies change. You could make similar arguments about the recent popularity of, say vodka in the US, but then you'd be missing some key points about imports from the former Soviet Union. As a model, it just seems to be too vague to be very useful.

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                            • #15
                              hear hear, natalie!

                              that sounds more like history to me...

                              although i did enjoy reading your post, Cap'n. i do like to think outside the package. erm, push the box. i mean envelope. or something.
                              aye aye! keep yer 'and on yer pfennig!

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