secret resettlement

[lynn cates]

blackmail

Hello Dave. That is a very good question. Red Jim later blackmailed Sir Ed. Not sure what kind of hand he held.

Some of us are still looking for Alice. Research ongoing.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

quickie

Hello All. Short version of the Cronin case.

http://murderbygasslight.blogspot.com/2010/06/clan-na-gael-and-murder-of-dr-cronin.html

Cheers.
LC

[TradeName]

FWIW:

The Graphic (London, England), Saturday, June 28, 1879, Issue 500.

Miscellaneous Items.--[...] It is stated that the body of a man which was recently found under a railway arch in London, with his skull beaten in and an iron bar laying beside him, has been recognised by the Dublin police as that of Nagle, the informer, upon whose evidence many of the Fenians were convicted, and who is supposed to have fallen a victim to the vengeance of the Brotherhood.

--end

The Parliamentary Debates (Authorized edition), Volume 254, July 12, 1880, Column 154

LORDS

Lord ORANMORE and BROWNE:

A friend of his (Lord Oranmore and Browne) living in London had received five threatening letters posted in London, saying all Irish landlords would be murdered before the end of the year, and he the first. A noble Lord made light of these letters the other night. Had he read the statement that at the beginning of this year the body of Nagle, the informer, had been found under a railway bridge in London, with a sharp knife run through his heart, and a piece of writing near him, bearing the words— "This is done by the Land League; such is the fate of an informer."

--end

Personal Recollections of an Irish National Journalist (Dublin: Hodges, Figgis & Co., 1882), Page 155
by Richard Pigott

Within the very sanctuary of the conspiracy—in the innermost 'circle' of the wide encompassing brotherhood—in the head quarters of the far-reaching organization, they had their trusty and well-beloved spy. Pierce Nagle was the name of this eminent man, and to all appearance he was a most unassuming, highly respectable, and pious person. He held the humble position of folder in the Irish People office; but he stood high in the favour, and in the confidence, of the central organizer of the Irish Republic—then 'virtually established'—who was, moreover, his apparently sole employer—it not having become known until after the arrests that he had other and better paying employers—the police.

This Nagle was so remarkably respectable, and in every way so upright and virtuous, that he was selected by the Catholic clergymen of St. Laurence OToole's Church to fill the office of clerk. But from March '64 up to the time the arrests were made in September '65 he was receiving the pay of the police, and supplying them with full details of the doings of the conspirators, and particulars of their designs. The leading Fenians had no suspicion that this scoundrel was playing them false; they lived in fact in a fool's Paradise, never dreaming that while they were known to have been for years engaged in actively organizing a rebellion, the Government, whose first duty is the preservation of law and order, were ignorant of their proceedings, and had taken no precautions to inform themselves about them.

Page 375

Reports have been circulated of the murder of the informers Corydon and Nagle, but they have not been corroborated.

[lynn cates]

Land League

Hello Trade. Thanks for this. Excellent stuff.

That note from the "Land League," if genuine, flies in the face of what Davitt had claimed for his organisation.

But the problem is, why advertise the fact? Yes, it serves warning for others, but the Land League tried to promote a non-violent aspect.

Conundrum.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Gin a body find a body . . .

Hello All. If you go to post #13 on this thread, and read p. 272 of the book whose link I posted, it may interest you.

What a plan for disposing of a body!

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Indeed. The British pulled off a similar ruse during WWII.

But, if true, you've got to admit that it does kinda sorta stick a sharp object up the fundamental orifice of the whole nonsensical Jack the Ripper story.

And that would never do.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

More, please.

Hello Simon. Thanks.

To which incident, in particular, do you refer? (You have piqued an old chap's curiosity.)

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

A quick Wickipedia reference. Cuz I'm a lazy old chap.

Operation Mincemeat involved the acquisition and dressing up of a human cadaver as a "Major William Martin, R.M." and putting it into the sea near Huelva, Spain. Attached to the dead body was a brief-case containing fake letters falsely stating that the Allied attack would be against Sardinia and Greece rather than Sicily, the actual point of invasion. When the body was found, the Spanish Intelligence Service passed copies of the papers to the German Intelligence Service which passed them on to their High Command. The ruse was so successful that the Germans still believed that Sardinia and Greece were the intended objectives, weeks after the landings in Sicily had begun.

But it's true. Sefton Delmer's book "Black Propaganda" is well worth a gander to learn about all the beezer wheezes SOE pulled off during WWII.

Putting Himmler's face instead of Adolph's on a flood of German postage stamps [to make people think there'd been a change of leadership] was a stroke of genius. And then there was all the hanky panky SOE played with the Nazi's dizzy beliefs in astrology and the occult.

Recommended reading if you're into dirty tricks.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

wandering mind

Hello Simon. Hmm, pure bloody genius.

I wonder if MJK . . . nah.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Nah?

Why not?

I do hope you're not buying in to all this Jack the Ripper rubbish.

There were some fertile minds at play during the Whitechapel murders.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

campbell

Hello Simon. Just humour.

Seriously, I am on Campbell for the fourth time. NOTHING would surprise me.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Mallon

Hello All. Here is a link to Inspector Mallon's memoirs. You may recall that Mallon was the lad who investigated the Phoenix Park murders.

Link courtesy of Simon Wood.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?view=image;size=100;id=nyp.33433067331854;page=root;seq=1

Enjoy.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Hanlon and Smith

Hello All. I was wondering if anyone had any information on two of the Phoenix Park lads who were secretly resettled, they are Joseph Smith and Joseph Hanlon. They were both early to mid-twenties in 1882, both became informers, and both were secretly resettled by HM government. I have their photos if that would be helpful.

If any one knows their new identities or to where they were resettled, I'd be much obliged for the information.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Joseph Smith

Hello All. This is a photo of Joseph Smith, from Senan Molony's book. Hope it helps.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Joseph Hanlon

Hello All. And this is Joseph Hanlon. Same source.

Cheers.
LC