What are they (still) hiding

[Trevor Marriott]

Thats before new evidence came to light to point to more than "one" killer.

Website needs updating just not enough days in the week.

[chudmuskett]

Thats before new evidence came to light to point to more than "one" killer.

Website needs updating just not enough days in the week.

Yep, It sure does

[Phil H]

Thats before new evidence came to light to point to more than "one" killer.

Precisely what evidence is that? Something that relates to Mr Marriott's own rather maverick theory, or something more general?

Have I missed something?

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

Phil
I think you must have perhaps you have been to busy writing your book about the life and times of a modern day civil servant to keep up.

No just my theory many others on here concur on that same beleif.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil H,

It has been accepted by very many (but not all) for many years now that Stride may well have been the victim of a different killer. It has also been questioned, that Kelly has possibly been the victim of a different killer too, again, by many (but not all).
There is enough evidence here therefore to state both of these can well be true.

best wishes

Phil

[Phil H]

Phil C

Thanks

If the position is, as you state it,

"It has been accepted by very many (but not all) for many years now that Stride may well have been the victim of a different killer. It has also been questioned, that Kelly has possibly been the victim of a different killer too, again, by many (but not all)...There is enough evidence here therefore to state both of these can well be true.

then I have been arguing that as a possibility for some years, (since AP Wolf's tome came out, I think). So I am very comfortable with that. I am also open to the idea that MJK was not a victuim of "Jack" (my name for the killer of Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes at least).

I thought that the mention of more than one killer might have been a reference to new evidence for a double-act (i.e. two men working together or killer and accomplice.

Thanks very much for enlightening me.

Phil

[Phil H]

Trevor

I think you must have perhaps you have been to busy writing your book about the life and times of a modern day civil servant to keep up.

I'm afraid, a book about my life and times as a civil servent would be FAR too racey for publication - all the collusion, conspiracy, apart from the paranoia, the sex and the violence. I hardly have time to fill in forms in triplicate, I'm so bust withholding information, except when bribed to "leak" it, of course.

Apart from that, I do TRY to keep up with Ripperology, as I have for around 40 years - I even have a copy of your book on my shelves (next to "Uncle Jack" quite naturally!!). Seriously, I enjoyed reading your work, but am as yet unconvinved by your proposed solution.

I do by the way wish you well with your efforts on the Special Branch material - I'm as intrigued as anyone could be to see what it contains.

Phil

P.S. For those without any sense of humour, belonging to nationalities where it appears to have been bred-out, or self-mockery, the first part of the above post is not intended to be taken seriously, it is a mixture of sarcasm, irony and sheer silliness. Just in case anyone thought otherwise.

[Trevor Marriott]

Glad you put the PS in there you got it spot on no offence intended.

It would be a dull world if everyone agreed with everyone

[Phil H]

Glad you put the PS in there you got it spot on no offence intended.

If tyou really think that, you have got the UK Civil Service VERY wrong indeed. I can understand your frustrations - and I have tried in successive posts in this and other threads to present the other side of the coin - but I am certain my colleagues in other departments of state are by and large hard-working, seek to be as helpful as possible often in dealing with difficult and complex issues.

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

To be fair the freedom of information office has to a certain degree been helpful to me in my appeal.

However in addittion to taking on the police I also had to take them on as well. They turned from poacher to gamekeeper. When Butterworth lodged his appeal they took it up on his behalf having directed the police to allow him full and un restricetd access. But when it came to my appeal they then sided with the police and were supporting their grounds for not giving me access.

[Phil H]

Trevor, how the Information Commissioner's office works is a closed book to me. It is independent of Government - responsible to Parliament - so probably has its own perspectives and ways of working.

Was your request different from Butterfield's - wider, narrower, whatever?

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

No exactly the same but following Butterworths fiasco of a hearing the Information commissioners changed sides so it made my hearing doubly difficult taking on two separate barristers.

[Phil H]

Trevor,

If you believe that the Information Commissioner or his staff have behaved improperly or inconsistently (i.e. changed their position) then I would suggest approaching your MP to get him to take the matter up - once your case has completed, of course.

If a judge were to do something similar in a court case, I believe there would be clear grounds for appeal.

At least writing to - even better seeing at a constituency surgery - costs you nothing except time and a stamp!! Other alternatives, for the future, would be trying to get him to raise the matter as an "adjournment debate" when a Minister has to answer, or as an Oral PQ - floor of the House - on a suitable occasion.

Are any peers interested in JtR dop we know? An oral question in the Lords always results in a short "debate" and might give your case publicity.

Just some ideas,

Phil

Phil

[Jeff Leahy]

The truth is at this time I cannot say exactly what they still have until such time as I get to look at them.

I think there is one which says "Kosminski is innoncent" (just joking or am i?)

There may be something or nothing on the Whitechapel murders at the end of the day but time will tell. The fact is that they did retain a considerable amount of files for that period in time. Files which they have led us to beleive were all destroyed.

If the current case against the police fails then I would imagine it will be almost impossible to succeed with this appeal to get access to these specific files.

Ah we're obviously digging through the same records

Pirate

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jeff,

Ok, you've got me... who's memoirs did Swanson write in this time?
Swanson wasn't in the Special Branch was he?

best wishes

Phil