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  • I have murdered four & will murder 16 more -JTR

    In Archaic’s “Sexual Perversion & Whitechapel Murders, LVP Med Article” thread, Archaic reprinted a February 09, 1889, Weekly Medical Review article by Dr. Edward Spitzka (http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4529). In it, the doctor comments upon a supposed JTR inscription written on some shutters next to one of his victims.

    I transcribed this newspaper article from The Salt Lake herald, October 12, 1888:

    That Blood-Thirsty Fiend

    LONDON, October 11. – The Pall Mall Gazette charges that the words: “I have murdered four and will murder sixteen more before I surrender myself to the police,” written by the supposed Whitechapel murderer upon the shutter of a house adjoining the one in the yard of which the body of one of his victims was found, were erased by the order of Sir Charles Warren, chief of police before the authorities had an opportunity to photograph them.


    The Pall Mall Gazette was an English newspaper edited by William Stead (left in 1890) at the time of the Whitechapel murders. It was incorporated into the Evening Standard in 1923.

    I found this on Casebook:

    Dunkirk Observer Journal
    New York, U.S.A.
    29 October 1888
    The Whitechapel Fiend Has Suspended Work
    London, Oct. 28.
    As it daily becomes evident that the Whitechapel murderer has gone out of business, the belief is spreading that he was not nearly as crazy as most of the theorists declared him to be, and circumstances are consequently stripped of half their interest by the conviction that the slayer was merely a plain, everyday brute, not unlike thousands of others that infest the locality in which the killing was done. It is pretty certain that, despite the declaration of war against prostitutes chalked upon a shutter and the bravado exhibited by Jack the Ripper in his recent letter, the monster has become frightened at the magnitude of the police arrangements for his detection and has suspended his horrible work for the present, if not for good.


    …and this…

    Brooklyn Daily Eagle
    New York, USA
    28 December 1897
    CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
    AN INTERESTING STORY OF THE JACK THE RIPPER MURDER
    A chat about circumstantial testimony in murder cases, apropos of the Luetgert case, brings to mind a remarkable instance of the fallibility of human testimony, as regards the identification of a human body, of more recent date than any instance quoted yesterday. It is part of the history of that remarkable series of atrocious murders committed in the Whitechapel district of London, in the autumn of 1888, by a man who is known indefinitely in criminal annals as Jack the Ripper. His fourth victim was a widow named Mary Ann Chapman. Her mutilated body was found at daylight in the yard of a house in Hanbury street. On the shutter of the adjoining dwelling there was found scribbled with chalk the following message from the mysterious assassin: "I have murdered four, and will murder sixteen more before I surrender myself to the police." Sir Charles Warren, who was in charge of the Scotland Yard detective force, caused the prophecy to be erased, and was subsequently severely criticized for having done so without securing a photographic reproduction of the murderer's handwriting. This murder was committed on September 8…


    Does anyone have any more details about this?

    Sincerely,

    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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    story

    Hello Mike. Were you referring to the purported erasure or to the graffito itself? There was also a story (possibly in the papers) about a graffito that had a "5 killed, 15 more to go" claim.

    The version I saw was in a private diary.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      Hello Mike. Were you referring to the purported erasure or to the graffito itself? There was also a story (possibly in the papers) about a graffito that had a "5 killed, 15 more to go" claim.

      The version I saw was in a private diary.

      Cheers.
      LC
      Yes, and it sounds like the same thing.

      Mike
      The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
      http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        Hello Mike. Were you referring to the purported erasure or to the graffito itself? There was also a story (possibly in the papers) about a graffito that had a "5 killed, 15 more to go" claim.

        The version I saw was in a private diary.

        Cheers.
        LC
        Well, the “killed 4…16 more” just might be different than the “killed 5…15 more. I transcribed this from the Shenandoah herald (Woodstock, Va.) October 12, 1888:

        LONDON’S BLOODY FIEND.

        TWO MORE WOMEN BUTCHERED IN WHITECHAPEL.

        LONDON, September 30.- This morning the whole city was again startled by the news that two more murders had been added to the list of mysterious crimes (“Barnes street and “Mitre Square”)… It was said that the madman wrote in blood on the wall, “Fifteen before I surrender.”


        This one says it was in blood as opposed to chalk.

        Mike
        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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        • #5
          chalk

          Hello Mike. I believe the "5/15" was supposed to have been chalk.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • #6
            "Graffito On A Window-Shutter" Story

            Hi Mike.

            I've been curious about that "graffito on a window-shutter" story too, and did some asking around at the time I found the Spitzka article (which was last winter). The consensus seemed to be that that the shutter inscription story was simply a rumor that somehow made its way into the newspaper and was later repeated as fact.

            Interesting that the total number of victims mentioned stays at "20", though the exact words and number of victims mentioned in the different accounts vary from "4 + 16" to "15 + 5", and that the writing is sometimes reported as being "chalk" and other times "blood"... it does sound like an urban legend.

            I remember talking to Rob Clack about this particular story, so maybe he will be kind enough to chime in.

            Best regards,
            Archaic

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            • #7
              I've always found it amusing that at the same time the Manchester Guardian and Irish Times were hitting the streets with news that a "Five. 15 more and I give myself up" graffito was found in Hanbury Street, the Daily Telegraph and Pall Mall Gazette were giving the lie to the story. All the news--fit and unfit--all the time. That was the sum of newspaper coverage in the fall of 1888.

              Don.
              "To expose [the Senator] is rather like performing acts of charity among the deserving poor; it needs to be done and it makes one feel good, but it does nothing to end the problem."

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              • #8
                ah ha

                Hello Don. Thanks for that. The Manchester Guardian eh? I have often wonder which paper/s my diarist read. That explains it.

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • #9
                  Well, it sounds like this would be an intriguing story about reporting during the Victorian Age. Thanks everyone, and thanks Archaic for getting me interested in this.

                  Sincerely,

                  Mike
                  The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                  http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                  • #10
                    You're welcome, Mike. Glad you found the article interesting.

                    Looks like you just posted a new Tumblety thread that I need to go check out.

                    Best regards,
                    Archaic

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